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    Grüße Daniel!
    <<"This is going to be hard for you to accept and this will cause a ruckus as it always does but I know what I know. I had what is known as a UPG Unverified Personal Gnosis. And This is it...Once a while back while meditating and walking along the astral world I was greeted by a Valkryie, who told me to follow her for I had been summoned.">>

    So then, your "Ordination" into the Heathen clergy began with a summons to appear before the Gods themselves? That's very impressive considering there are others who have done great things for our Folk and our Heathen religion but have never made such claims.

    <<I was taken to Valhalla where I stood in front of Odin. Odin said He had selected me to help dispell myths of our religion and our Gods. He said I was to be one of many Champions for Asgaard. And knowing my love of the medival period where men were honorable and chilvarous he knighted me (do not think that the Gods wouldnt do this. They change as man changes) and instructed me to start a kindred to be named the Knights of Asatru Kindred. I was also to take up a fitting Heathen name. Hence Thorgil Odinsson.>>

    Amazing! Please enlighten the rest of us here concerning these "myths" about our religion and our Gods! Kindly reveal what some of these "myths" are. I'm curious. Also, you were instructed to change your name from Daniel Joshua Browning to Thorgil Odinsson? Why was that? Did you need to change your name for some reason Daniel?


    <<For many people here this will cause great misconceptions about me and why I am who I am. And that is perfectly fine by me. I will do what Odin has asked of me. >>


    What kind of misconceptions exactly? Please clarify this.


    <<And until the kindred gets a "recognized godhi" which I would asume someone has to go to the AFA or some such place, I am acting Godhi in my Kindred. What gives anyone the right to call himself a Godhi or herself a Gythia?>>

    The "right" to call yourself a Godhi or Gydhia comes from the Folk that your serving. If the people in your community whom you are serving recognize you as a Godhi then you could realistically assume that title.
    Or, you could enroll in a certified clergy course offered by a recognized Asatru organization and receive your legal clergy credentials in that way.


    <<Is it not the Gods Themselves who choose who will be Godi/Gythia? Why should someone say "well you didnt follow the same teachings/schooling etc that I did therefore you cannot be a priest. What gives Steven McNallen or Valgard Murry the right to be a Godhi? Did the Gods call them? Can you prove it? No it cannot be proven because most likely it was a UPG just as mine is.>>

    I don't know much about Valgard Murray's history, but I've read about McNallen's. Apparently he started what he called "The Viking Brotherhood" in 1972. This evolved into the Asatru Free Assembly which later became The Asatru Folk Assembly. He's been around for 38 years leading one of the oldest Asatru organizations in existence, writing articles, giving speeches, putting out various magazines, and his organization is currently leading the attempt to have the US military recognize Asatru and put the Hammer symbol on the headstones of fallen Heathens in the military. These are just some of HIS accomplishments. What were yours again? Oh that's right. You were summoned by Odin himself and "knighted."


    <<So you can bicker about this all you want it matters not to me. What matters is I am educating people about the Gods of Old and Their ways.>>

    I'm not "bickering" with you Daniel. I'm just being an Odian and searching for the truth. I want to learn more about our Gods and the "old ways," and you claim to be the guy to talk to. I turn the forum back over to you now. Please dispel some of the myths you spoke about earlier so I'll know what the real truth is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunebu III View Post
    Grüße Daniel!
    <<"This is going to be hard for you to accept and this will cause a ruckus as it always does but I know what I know. I had what is known as a UPG Unverified Personal Gnosis. And This is it...Once a while back while meditating and walking along the astral world I was greeted by a Valkryie, who told me to follow her for I had been summoned.">>

    So then, your "Ordination" into the Heathen clergy began with a summons to appear before the Gods themselves? That's very impressive considering there are others who have done great things for our Folk and our Heathen religion but have never made such claims.

    No my "Ordination" arised out of a need in my kindred. I understand many people have done great things without making claims about meeting the Gods or a God or Goddess. But in reality our ancestors felt the Gods talking to them and thats how they became Godhis and Gythias.

    <<I was taken to Valhalla where I stood in front of Odin. Odin said He had selected me to help dispell myths of our religion and our Gods. He said I was to be one of many Champions for Asgaard. And knowing my love of the medival period where men were honorable and chilvarous he knighted me (do not think that the Gods wouldnt do this. They change as man changes) and instructed me to start a kindred to be named the Knights of Asatru Kindred. I was also to take up a fitting Heathen name. Hence Thorgil Odinsson.>>

    Amazing! Please enlighten the rest of us here concerning these "myths" about our religion and our Gods! Kindly reveal what some of these "myths" are. I'm curious. Also, you were instructed to change your name from Daniel Joshua Browning to Thorgil Odinsson? Why was that? Did you need to change your name for some reason Daniel?
    You must be really blind. Most people who have heard of our religion have heard that we are all hard core racists. And that our Gods are blood thirsty. Where the **** are you from? You have my name wrong. I wanted to assume a heathen name. It's my heathen name much like some kristinns take on a kristinn name.

    <<For many people here this will cause great misconceptions about me and why I am who I am. And that is perfectly fine by me. I will do what Odin has asked of me. >>


    What kind of misconceptions exactly? Please clarify this.

    That I am a promoter of hate by being Odinist.
    <<And until the kindred gets a "recognized godhi" which I would asume someone has to go to the AFA or some such place, I am acting Godhi in my Kindred. What gives anyone the right to call himself a Godhi or herself a Gythia?>>

    The "right" to call yourself a Godhi or Gydhia comes from the Folk that your serving. If the people in your community whom you are serving recognize you as a Godhi then you could realistically assume that title.
    Or, you could enroll in a certified clergy course offered by a recognized Asatru organization and receive your legal clergy credentials in that way.


    <<Is it not the Gods Themselves who choose who will be Godi/Gythia? Why should someone say "well you didnt follow the same teachings/schooling etc that I did therefore you cannot be a priest. What gives Steven McNallen or Valgard Murry the right to be a Godhi? Did the Gods call them? Can you prove it? No it cannot be proven because most likely it was a UPG just as mine is.>>

    I don't know much about Valgard Murray's history, but I've read about McNallen's. Apparently he started what he called "The Viking Brotherhood" in 1972. This evolved into the Asatru Free Assembly which later became The Asatru Folk Assembly. He's been around for 38 years leading one of the oldest Asatru organizations in existence, writing articles, giving speeches, putting out various magazines, and his organization is currently leading the attempt to have the US military recognize Asatru and put the Hammer symbol on the headstones of fallen Heathens in the military. These are just some of HIS accomplishments. What were yours again? Oh that's right. You were summoned by Odin himself and "knighted."
    You know what **** you. I have just come into this religion. So back the **** off. You've heard of some good things like everyone else. Did you know he testified against practicing Odinists in prison? Does that strike you as the kind of person that you would want to follow? Not I. I don't care what he has done personally. Once you cross out one group of your religion because of where they are or whatever you lose my respect.

    <<So you can bicker about this all you want it matters not to me. What matters is I am educating people about the Gods of Old and Their ways.>>

    I'm not "bickering" with you Daniel. I'm just being an Odian and searching for the truth. I want to learn more about our Gods and the "old ways," and you claim to be the guy to talk to. I turn the forum back over to you now. Please dispel some of the myths you spoke about earlier so I'll know what the real truth is.
    My name is not Daniel. I never claimed to be the guy to talk to about Odinism. You need to get a ****in grip. Calm the **** down and try to listen. This thread was talking about UPGs and I dont care wether you belive it or not. That is why you are not in my kindred. While I dont mind people questioning some things... I don't like obnoxious people who seem to think that I've put myself on a high horse. Thats not what I am saying. Nor am I saying that I am the person to learn everything from, far from it. I am only saying that you need to watch who you choose to follow. I wont follow McNallen or Murray. But thats just me.
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    Share with us your answers! You brought it up in the first place.

    I once met a guy who claimed to have been struck by lightening and was therefore SELECTED BY THOR TO BE A PROPHET!!!

    ummm....do we even have prophets? I know some say David Lane is and I would assume that would be the closest thing to it.

    People have various ways of viewing the mythologies of our race. Steven McNallen, Ron McVan...all Wotanists agree that the figures in myth are archetypes. The gods and goddesses of our folk are not literal truths. There is no "pie in the sky" to quote Steve.

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    Grüße Josh!

    "No my "Ordination" arised out of a need in my kindred. I understand many people have done great things without making claims about meeting the Gods or a God or Goddess. But in reality our ancestors felt the Gods talking to them and thats how they became Godhis and Gythias."


    Let's stop all this silliness and review what you've said in this forum. You claimed that you had a "UPG" and that while meditating you were taken to Valhalla by a Valkery no less and that you stood "in front of Odin" and that he selected you to be a "champion", and that he knighted you, and on and on and on....blah, blah, blah. Look, if you really want to be a "Champion" for the folk, then stop spouting all this nonsense about "knights", and being called before the Alfather and the rest of these childish claims. Get serious and start doing things that really matter. Let your deeds speak for you. In the old days, those who owned land and farms and could afford to build a Hoff and offer sacrifice were the ones who became Godhi's. They didn't claim that the Gods "talked to them." Where, in any of the sagas, is there evidence to back up this statement of yours? What they did was live their religion and honor the Gods. Those who lived in the area, village, or immediate vicinity were invited to take part in these celebrations.



    <<Amazing! Please enlighten the rest of us here concerning these "myths" about our religion and our Gods! Kindly reveal what some of these "myths" are. I'm curious. Also, you were instructed to change your name from Daniel Joshua Browning to Thorgil Odinsson? Why was that? Did you need to change your name for some reason Daniel?
    You must be really blind. Most people who have heard of our religion have heard that we are all hard core racists. And that our Gods are blood thirsty. Where the **** are you from? You have my name wrong. I wanted to assume a heathen name. It's my heathen name much like some kristinns take on a kristinn name.>>


    Blind? No I've just been around a long time. Our religion has been misunderstood and accused of being racist and a "Viking religion" and other silly things but in the last 10 years or so that image has begun to dissipate. Asatru is growing and that image is fading away in favor of a new, more enlightened one. Serious people are not wearing chain mail or Viking helmets at moots or gatherings much anymore, (Thank the Gods!) and the religious aspects are taking a more prominent position. You asked me where I'm from. I'm up in Montana and I'm retired. About your name. You're correct it's not Daniel it's Josh. Daniel is your middle name. My mistake.



    <<What kind of misconceptions exactly? Please clarify this.

    That I am a promoter of hate by being Odinist.>>

    You seem to have a flare for high drama and a craving for attention. I think if you live your life honorably and be an example for others by your deeds and actions you won't have to constantly defend yourself against charges of racism.



    <<You know what **** you. I have just come into this religion. So back the **** off. You've heard of some good things like everyone else. Did you know he testified against practicing Odinists in prison? Does that strike you as the kind of person that you would want to follow? Not I. I don't care what he has done personally. Once you cross out one group of your religion because of where they are or whatever you lose my respect.>>


    I'm well aware of what Valgard Murray has been doing recently. As has most everyone here on this list. I never advocated that anyone "follow" him. You brought up his name along with Steve McNallen's and asked what gave them the right to call themselves Godhi's. I responded that McNallen created one of the oldest Asatru organizations in the US and his other accomplishments. I never mentioned Murray. But all you seem to be able to do is brag about your silly "Odinic knighthood." When you've accomplished even 1/16 of what he and others have actually done for our religion then you'll have earned the right to brag.


    <<My name is not Daniel. I never claimed to be the guy to talk to about Odinism. You need to get a ****in grip. Calm the **** down and try to listen. This thread was talking about UPGs and I dont care wether you belive it or not. That is why you are not in my kindred. While I dont mind people questioning some things... I don't like obnoxious people who seem to think that I've put myself on a high horse. Thats not what I am saying. Nor am I saying that I am the person to learn everything from, far from it. I am only saying that you need to watch who you choose to follow. I wont follow McNallen or Murray. But thats just me.>>


    As I said before, you're right your name isn't Daniel. It's Joshua Daniel Browning and referring to your MySpace page your a "Sexual god" according to your fiance. As well as being a "White Knight." I almost forgot that part. LOL! I'm not in your kindred because 1. I'm in Montana not Texas. And 2, because anyone with any common sense can see what a poser and fraud you really are. You have, in your own words here, "Put yourself up on a high horse." With nothing to back it up except UPG's and exorbitant claims. Close your mouth and do something legitimate and valid and maybe people will really take you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar Odhinnsson View Post
    Share with us your answers! You brought it up in the first place.

    I once met a guy who claimed to have been struck by lightening and was therefore SELECTED BY THOR TO BE A PROPHET!!!

    ummm....do we even have prophets? I know some say David Lane is and I would assume that would be the closest thing to it.

    People have various ways of viewing the mythologies of our race. Steven McNallen, Ron McVan...all Wotanists agree that the figures in myth are archetypes. The gods and goddesses of our folk are not literal truths. There is no "pie in the sky" to quote Steve.
    Ok we have no prophets and... you know what nevermind this is useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haunebu III View Post
    Grüße Josh!

    "No my "Ordination" arised out of a need in my kindred. I understand many people have done great things without making claims about meeting the Gods or a God or Goddess. But in reality our ancestors felt the Gods talking to them and thats how they became Godhis and Gythias."


    Let's stop all this silliness and review what you've said in this forum. You claimed that you had a "UPG" and that while meditating you were taken to Valhalla by a Valkery no less and that you stood "in front of Odin" and that he selected you to be a "champion", and that he knighted you, and on and on and on....blah, blah, blah. Look, if you really want to be a "Champion" for the folk, then stop spouting all this nonsense about "knights", and being called before the Alfather and the rest of these childish claims. Get serious and start doing things that really matter. Let your deeds speak for you. In the old days, those who owned land and farms and could afford to build a Hoff and offer sacrifice were the ones who became Godhi's. They didn't claim that the Gods "talked to them." Where, in any of the sagas, is there evidence to back up this statement of yours? What they did was live their religion and honor the Gods. Those who lived in the area, village, or immediate vicinity were invited to take part in these celebrations.


    **** you who are you to say it didnt happen? I know what happened to me believe it or not and I dont give a flying F*** what you think.

    <<Amazing! Please enlighten the rest of us here concerning these "myths" about our religion and our Gods! Kindly reveal what some of these "myths" are. I'm curious. Also, you were instructed to change your name from Daniel Joshua Browning to Thorgil Odinsson? Why was that? Did you need to change your name for some reason Daniel?
    You must be really blind. Most people who have heard of our religion have heard that we are all hard core racists. And that our Gods are blood thirsty. Where the **** are you from? You have my name wrong. I wanted to assume a heathen name. It's my heathen name much like some kristinns take on a kristinn name.>>


    Blind? No I've just been around a long time. Our religion has been misunderstood and accused of being racist and a "Viking religion" and other silly things but in the last 10 years or so that image has begun to dissipate. Asatru is growing and that image is fading away in favor of a new, more enlightened one. Serious people are not wearing chain mail or Viking helmets at moots or gatherings much anymore, (Thank the Gods!) and the religious aspects are taking a more prominent position. You asked me where I'm from. I'm up in Montana and I'm retired. About your name. You're correct it's not Daniel it's Josh. Daniel is your middle name. My mistake.

    Maybe where you come from this image has begun to dissipate but not here.
    And if they want to dress like our ancestors did so be it. Whats wrong with that? NOTHING THATS WHAT!

    <<What kind of misconceptions exactly? Please clarify this.

    That I am a promoter of hate by being Odinist.>>

    You seem to have a flare for high drama and a craving for attention. I think if you live your life honorably and be an example for others by your deeds and actions you won't have to constantly defend yourself against charges of racism.
    What are you a ****ing shrink now?


    <<You know what **** you. I have just come into this religion. So back the **** off. You've heard of some good things like everyone else. Did you know he testified against practicing Odinists in prison? Does that strike you as the kind of person that you would want to follow? Not I. I don't care what he has done personally. Once you cross out one group of your religion because of where they are or whatever you lose my respect.>>


    I'm well aware of what Valgard Murray has been doing recently. As has most everyone here on this list. I never advocated that anyone "follow" him. You brought up his name along with Steve McNallen's and asked what gave them the right to call themselves Godhi's. I responded that McNallen created one of the oldest Asatru organizations in the US and his other accomplishments. I never mentioned Murray. But all you seem to be able to do is brag about your silly "Odinic knighthood." When you've accomplished even 1/16 of what he and others have actually done for our religion then you'll have earned the right to brag.

    I never ****ing bragged about it I simply stated that my kindred was looking for members. Someone asked about the name and I explained. If a ****ing explanation is bragging then you need move to a cave and be alone for the rest of your days.

    <<My name is not Daniel. I never claimed to be the guy to talk to about Odinism. You need to get a ****in grip. Calm the **** down and try to listen. This thread was talking about UPGs and I dont care wether you belive it or not. That is why you are not in my kindred. While I dont mind people questioning some things... I don't like obnoxious people who seem to think that I've put myself on a high horse. Thats not what I am saying. Nor am I saying that I am the person to learn everything from, far from it. I am only saying that you need to watch who you choose to follow. I wont follow McNallen or Murray. But thats just me.>>


    As I said before, you're right your name isn't Daniel. It's Joshua Daniel Browning and referring to your MySpace page your a "Sexual god" according to your fiance. As well as being a "White Knight." I almost forgot that part. LOL! I'm not in your kindred because 1. I'm in Montana not Texas. And 2, because anyone with any common sense can see what a poser and fraud you really are. You have, in your own words here, "Put yourself up on a high horse." With nothing to back it up except UPG's and exorbitant claims. Close your mouth and do something legitimate and valid and maybe people will really take you seriously.
    Dont know where you got that shit from but ok. **** you im not a poser of a fraud. I have not. You know what **** you i dont need this. Why dont you come close my mouth for me if your such a ****ing big shot. Id welcome the Fight!

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    Grüße Josh!

    <<**** you who are you to say it didnt happen? I know what happened to me believe it or not and I dont give a flying F*** what you think>>


    I can only base my opinions on the Eddas and Sagas. And on the other histories pertaining to our ancient folk that I've read. You base your opinions on UPG's and what you "know."


    <<Maybe where you come from this image has begun to dissipate but not here.
    And if they want to dress like our ancestors did so be it.
    Whats wrong with that? NOTHING THATS WHAT!>>

    You live in Texas. I know a lot of Texas heathens and through their hard work and dedication to our faith they've made incredible strides in how the general public views Asatru. People are beginning to see that our religion is a legitimate folk faith and not another form of neo-nazism or an opportunity to dress up and play "Vikings". Our ancestors respected their ancient ones but they didn't dress like them or attempt to live like them. They dressed in their own clothes and worshipped their gods. People who are serious about finding a true spiritual path for themselves and their families aren't looking to attend an SCA event or Ren fair. Unfortunately dressing up in chain mail and Viking helmets and wearing swords gives that impression. If we want to be taken seriously as one of the worlds great spiritual paths then we need to take ourselves seriously as well. But apparently you still want to play dress up. Be my guest "Sir Josh!" LOL!


    <<What are you a ****ing shrink now?>>


    (smile) No, I'm just someone who's been around for a long time and recognizes a poser when I see one.



    << I never ****ing bragged about it I simply stated that my kindred was looking for members. Someone asked about the name and I explained. If a ****ing explanation is bragging then you need move to a cave and be alone for the rest of your days.>>

    Do you actually re-read your posts before you send them Josh? You did indeed brag about being brought in front of Odin by a Valkery and that he knighted you and wanted you to be his champion. He bestowed upon you the chore of enlightening people about the myths about our religion. You bragged that you were a "White knight." and you're right, you were also fishing for new kindred members. But anyone with any sense can see that you're a myopic fraud with serious self esteem problems. You behave like someone with a past that you're trying to hide. So you attempt to boost your self importance with pompous claims of visions and meetings with the gods. You're sadly pathetic.


    <<Dont know where you got that shit from but ok.>>

    I got it from your MySpace page located here.

    www.myspace.com/sirjoshofmidgard




    <<**** you im not a poser of a fraud. I have not. You know what **** you i dont need this. Why dont you come close my mouth for me if your such a ****ing big shot. Id welcome the Fight!>>


    (Smile) So you've got anger and self control issues as well. What a piece of work. I wouldn't spend the gas money or the time to travel all the way to Texas to fight you son. You're not worthy enough. Now why don't you go back to blogging on your little myspace page and stop pestering the good people here in this forum?

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    Ok I'm being a little mean. Still I like a good joke. Play a little less D&D and spend some time reading and talking to people on here. Odinism is very much and normal everyday thing. I myself have cast things and put energy into tools but I would never say that I stood before Odin with a quest that sounds like a bad movie. I have heard the gods talk to me but it never anything that far out. The thing with the gods is that they are more like the knowledge hidden in our blood. They are that hidden voice in our people. They live because we believe in them. They are us. This isn't like christianity. We don't really believe that there really is a tree that will take us to the gods. We would have found it lol. We never bow to them. We try to live like them. Be the gods ourselves. It is all just the collective power of all our folk with names to the connections of our people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxGUNGNIRxX View Post
    Not good at photoshop yet but......

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