Adoption.

[Carrion]

I am interested to discover Odinist's views on adoption, as a priority of Odinists is to produce racially pure children.

I myself do not hair fair hair, fair eyes, therefore bringing a child into this world would further pollute genes.

Some racially pure children are abandoned by their parents and would more than likely end up being brought up by some Judea-Christian family, not knowing his roots.

I am new to Odinism so correct me on any parts of this opening post that I may be wrong, thank you.

[Hengest]

I am interested to discover Odinist's views on adoption, as a priority of Odinists is to produce racially pure children.

I myself do not hair fair hair, fair eyes, therefore bringing a child into this world would further pollute genes.

Some racially pure children are abandoned by their parents and would more than likely end up being brought up by some Judea-Christian family, not knowing his roots.

I am new to Odinism so correct me on any parts of this opening post that I may be wrong, thank you.

Producing racially pure children is not a priority of Odinists. It is natural that one practicing a folkish religion will choose a partner of the same folk and hence their offspring will be of that folk.

The fact that you have brown eyes and brown hair means what? Blonde hair and blue eyes are a feature of SOME of our folk, not all of them.

As for adoption, a "racially pure" child bought up by a Christian family, as many Odinists were, will have just as much chance of finding his/her roots as anyone else. They may have christianity shoved down their throats for many years as did many of those here but that doesn't mean they will always believe it.

Racial purity discussions are for elsewhere. We are folkish Odinists. Race is important to us because it is who we are but if you feel that those with brown hair and eyes are not folk then you have been listening to too much propaganda.

Take some time, read around the forums and see exactly where we are coming from.

[Carrion]

Producing racially pure children is not a priority of Odinists. It is natural that one practicing a folkish religion will choose a partner of the same folk and hence their offspring will be of that folk.

The fact that you have brown eyes and brown hair means what? Blonde hair and blue eyes are a feature of SOME of our folk, not all of them.

As for adoption, a "racially pure" child bought up by a Christian family, as many Odinists were, will have just as much chance of finding his/her roots as anyone else. They may have christianity shoved down their throats for many years as did many of those here but that doesn't mean they will always believe it.

Racial purity discussions are for elsewhere. We are folkish Odinists. Race is important to us because it is who we are but if you feel that those with brown hair and eyes are not folk then you have been listening to too much propaganda.

Take some time, read around the forums and see exactly where we are coming from.

Yes, the first article I read on Paganism was from a racist Odinist, who had some right wing views (Varg Vikernes if anyone has heard of him). I apologise for my misunderstanding and shall read more from different Odinists.

[Teufelhunden]

Just because he was a pin head dose not make him "right wing".. I have dark brown hair and very green eyes and I am of a very Germanic herritage.
Like White horse said it is natural for a folk to want to carry on a blood line and herritage , but do not confuse that with some "master race" notion. ie it is not a requirement that they all be blond blue. Many Germans are of the same profile as I am.

[æinvargR]

Scandinavians would strive for that though, if we wanted to carry on our blood line as Scandinavian as possible, since the brown hair and eyes some of us have come from the continent (Germany and Belgium mostly). And that hasn't got anything to do with a master race notion.

[Liffrea]

Scandinavians would strive for that though, if we wanted to carry on our blood line as Scandinavian as possible, since the brown hair and eyes some of us have come from the continent (Germany and Belgium mostly). And that hasn't got anything to do with a master race notion.

Interesting point though that.

I have dark-brown hair and blue eyes, look at my profile. Relatively common in Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, and the British Isles. Not so In Scandinavia. I wouldn't look out of place on the streets of Dublin or Amsterdam, but I reckon I would stand out a mile in Stockholm.

I often wonder if there was a bias against dark hair in the sagas? For example Egil is refered to as "swarthy".

[æinvargR]

but I reckon I would stand out a mile in Stockholm.
No you wouldn't since we have 21% immigrants in the country :( and as they gather in larger cities they are more than that in Stockholm. Even without immigrants you wouldn't stand out since there are quite many brown-haired natives in Scandinavia (like I said because of Germans etc).

But yeah, the brown hair came in the middle-ages and later, the only two original Scandinavian hair-colors are blond shades and red, so in the Viking age brown-haired was most likely considered weird :)

[Scramaseax]

Wanting to perpetuate your own race and thinking that your race is superior to others are two different things. Even if someone said "I want to keep my race pure", it doesn't necessarily mean "my race is the master race". Many Jews want to keep their race pure, but they are seldom accused of being Jewish supremacists.

When the Germanic people were living as tribes there was a huge tradition of inter-tribal fosterage that lasted till the demise of the Scottish clan system (many Scots having Norse forebears). But it was not intended as permanent adoption.

[beowulf]

hmm. I've been told I look of an "anglo-saxon" type common in parts of northern and eastern england, I guess. Light brown-blondish hair blue eyes, etc. Probably wouldn't stand out in England til I opened my mouth. Scandinavia, don't know.
As per the sagas I believe I've read that swarthy types were considered to be associated with lower classes or thralls, the fair with nobility, as per Rigsthula.

[Wolf_of_Victory]

hmm. I've been told I look of an "anglo-saxon" type common in parts of northern and eastern england, I guess. Light brown-blondish hair blue eyes, etc. Probably wouldn't stand out in England til I opened my mouth. Scandinavia, don't know.
As per the sagas I believe I've read that swarthy types were considered to be associated with lower classes or thralls, the fair with nobility, as per Rigsthula.

As far as sagas go, in Saga of the Volsungs, Sigurd, the great hero of all Germanic peoples had brown hair and brown eyes. I doubt back then they paid too much attention to a persons hair nor their eyes. I have dark green eyes and light brown/red hair (which was bright blonde when I was a child) and my brother has Blonde hair and blue eyes, as does my mother. Funny thing is, my fathers side is Norwiegian and he's where I get my eyes and hair from and aside from the hair and eyes I look very Nordic. My mothers side is Irish/Anglo Saxon and her side of the family is far more fair for the most part. Basically what I'm saying is that regardless if you have brown eyes and brown hair, if you marry a blonde haired blue eyed girl, theres still a huge chance you'll have a blue eyed blonde haired child.

[Liffrea]

As per the sagas I believe I've read that swarthy types were considered to be associated with lower classes or thralls, the fair with nobility, as per Rigsthula.

Black hair was considered the sign of a Thrall and foreigner.

As for the Anglo-Saxons they, being continental Germanics, would have been all sorts of hair and eye colour.

The race we call Nordic probably entered the British Isles c.2,000BC. They would have introduced the lith framed, long skulled, fair hair/eye features that are common in the Nordic. We know this from skulls found in Bronze Age burial sites. The people who were already here were the descendents of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers. They are generally supposed to be similiar to modern Iberids/Mediterranean types. How far this is likely is unknown. They would have been a lot paler than your average Spaniard. I have heard it is estimated that around 17% of the population of Britain and Ireland are descendents of these people.

I have been reliably told that I am a Kelt-Nord with a Palaeo-Atlantid admixture. So a descendent of both. I certainly think my Irish genes are more prominent than my English!

[Sigurd]

The "Aryan" appearance is nonsense. I have a heritage that was never south of Southern Tyrol, west of Switzerland nor East of Prussia, and I still have brownish hair (actually a mixture between blonde and black lol) and greenish-blue eyes. Does that make me less of a Germanic descent? NO! I can walk through the streets of Turkey and see a blonde with blue eyes. Does this make him or her more of a Germainc descent? NO!

So, well that is my viewpoint. But it is obvious, that if you read Vikernes, that your initial idea of the whole thing was kind of polluted by his idea of "vitt arysk motstand" (white aryan resistance). Some of Vikernes's ideas, such as the pendulum are quite good, some others are absurd.
Of my four grandparents, all are of German/Austrian descent. Yet only one (my mother's father) has (better, had) blonde hair. And one (my mother's mother) had a father with red hair. Does that make me "dirty"???? No, not really. Especially seeing that a brownish hair color is quite common in Austria and German and always was (I think the Sigurd example's actually been said before ;) ) So considering these, things: Reductio ad absurdum!


Well, I think that has been cleared now.
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My viewpoint towards adoption is quite neutral. I am neither supportive of it nor against it. I agree towards adoption though, if one of the parents by one case or another cannot beget children.

[Carrion]

Could we keep this thread on-topic please, I asked for your views on adoption, not whether you'd stand out in Sweden or whatever.

[jcsturk]

Those who can procreate should. It is your responsibility to pass on the genes of those who carried these genes before you. This makes sense from both the religious and scientific (Darwinian/Dawkins-ian) perspective.

If one is incapable of doing this, adoption is a fine option.

[Teufelhunden]

Carrion,
Your topic was being addressed, and it is relavent to what you asked.
You yourself started out with as follows.
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I myself do not hair fair hair, fair eyes, therefore bringing a child into this world would further pollute genes."

I myself as pointed out an Green eyed brown haired GERMAN, If you are so insecure as to your apprearance you need to flush your headgear ,and drop the mush headed ideology.

"Some racially pure children are abandoned by their parents and would more than likely end up being brought up by some Judea-Christian family, not knowing his roots."

so before you start jumping on people who are addressing your points, remember what you yourself said.

ALSO, this is not the place to discuss the racially pure tripe, as pointed out in the forum rules. take that crap to stormfront, it has NOTHING to do with Odinism.
If you buy into the fact the blonde blue is somehow "racially pure" you are a complete moron.

[Carrion]

I wanted more than one Odinist's view on the subject, otherwise I could yet again get the wrong view, wouldn't I? That is what the thread is for, otherwise I would of PMed someone for an answer.

I stated in a later post that I did have the wrong perspective on Odinism because I read an article written by a racist Odinist, I have nothing else to go on as this was the only form of Odinism I have learnt about, I was not taught about any branches of Paganism in school, or elsewhere.

You do not need to start insulting someone who is trying to get more information. Is Odin not the God of wisdom? Therefore knowledge, yet you call someone a moron for trying to learn.

I am not insecure about my appearance, but by 2202 (or something like that) blonde hair will cease to exist, due to racial polluting, therefore, no pure Aryans, no pure children of Jarl, the end of pure Europeans.

I do not have much knowledge of Odinism, what I do know is what I have read in Varg's articles, and research from Wikipedia etc. I ask for more information, not insults.

[Hengest]

Actually what he said was that if you believe that only those with blond hair and blue eyes a pure europeans then you are a moron.

If you want specific answers to a question then ask specific questions. Sigurd's response was well within the area of your original post. If you only want responses from blond haired blue eyed pure specimens because anyone else is just polluted then you are in the wrong place.

If anyone else wants to comment on adoption then go ahead.

[Carrion]

The point I was making is I want more than one Odinist's view on adoption, not people talking about how they stand out in Stockholm. Yes in my original post I did mention blonde hair, blue eyes, but later accepted I had the wrong view on Odinism.

Like White Horse said, if you would like to post on-topic go ahead, otherwise don't waste your time.

[aud_friggsdottir]

Ok...so what was your question...there wasn't one.

It sounds like you are saying if one isn't blonde hair and blue eyes they shouldn't be producing kids, but should adopt??????!!!!

Well I guess I messed up...LOL...I have 6 and I am NOT of Blonde hair nor blue eyes (auburn/brown/grey hair and green/hazel eyes..;))...oops!

Carrion, I understand you were just mistaken, but once corrected, what was your question?

Do you still wonder about adopting kids? I think if one cannot have children because of medical issues...adoption of children is fine as long as they are from your Folk. I think it does a great disservice to children to adopt from "other" Folk. They should learn their culture, heritage, Ways, etc....from parents that are from that culture, heritage and Ways!

FFF
Kathy

[Carrion]

Thank you Aud_friggsdottir.

I cannot be bothered with this thread anymore, can someone lock it please?

[Katia]

Well I think a point has been made, even if it isn't on topic with the original question. Done!