guns and other weapons

[insurgent Wolf]

discuss guns and other weapons for militia and self defence.

ak47s,ar15s,glocks,machetes,peper spray, tactics, things like that.

[W.N.S 88]

Ruger mini14 is a real militia gun.

[insurgent Wolf]

hell yes

however the ruger company does not sell spare parts or 30 rond mags


thats why i like the ak47 , ar15 and bushmaster acr

[midgard man]

Streetwise 17% Pepper Spray is the best you can buy...trust me. I did a test with it last weekend and it really did suck ass. The video is somewhat hard to see what was going on, but trust me, it was streetwise 17% and it sucked.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=48450255

[Archer]

I had a mini14 and I traded it for a bolt action ss synthetic stock .308 w/scope, here's why:

mimi my ass. it's heavier than that a .223 ought to be

without exception, every single aftermarket product I bought for it was a piece of shit

I hate peep sights.

[W.N.S 88]

Well if you don't trust the ruger you can always find a good rifle from the eastern bloc.sks is another one of my favs.

[Archer]

ruger is a good company and I like their GP100, single action revolvers, bolt actions and the Security Six. I'd avoid the mini in the future.

Ah yes, the sks... a rifle I can say nothing bad about. I like the Russian Siminov(real sks) the best. The Chinese is actually a type 56, and is not as good. The Yugoslav Zastava M 59/66 is also a good SKS clone...

Good round, affordable round and rifle, low profile when used with standard ten shot magazine. Great sights, easy to clean/strip and perfect for the armed citizen.

[Archer]

ruger is a good company and I like their GP100, single action revolvers, bolt actions and the Security Six. I'd avoid the mini in the future.

Ah yes, the sks... a rifle I can say nothing bad about. I like the Russian Siminov(real sks) the best. The Chinese is actually a type 56, and is not as good. The Yugoslav Zastava M 59/66 is also a good SKS clone...

Good round, affordable round and rifle, low profile when used with standard ten shot magazine. Great sights, easy to clean/strip and perfect for the armed citizen.

[insurgent Wolf]

as a militiaman you should own atleast 2 rifles , 2 pistols ,a knife, atleast 4000 rounds of rifle ammo,atleast 10 mags for each gun.

you can also have a weapons cache(arsenal) like 5 rifles ,5 pistols ,2 shotguns ,15000 rounds of ammo, 10 mags for each gun

[Archer]

I am personally not a milita member or anything like that. I do not advocate violence or overthrow. That said...

Owning pistols for defence/home protection is a good idea, but I am skeptical if pistols have any real military/homeland security value at all.

I am a fan of KISS (not the band, but of Keeping It Simple, Soldier). I read a good book by the same name about tactics for citizens.

I like mil surplus, Warsaw/NATO makes no difference. I think the most important weapon is the mind but having a reliable sturdy rifle is next in line. Buy books, not more bullets. Read up on tactics used by successfull militaries, like ours (USA).

Anyone ready Cooper's "The Rifleman"? I think thats the title, also a good book.

Personally, I like a good older military bolt action or a robust mid-ranged semi-auto like the SKS. For me at least it makes more sense than a shorter ranged piece like a shotty or carbine. A hypothetical combat senario at close-range will result in far too many casulties on your side. You will be drasticly outnumbered. Hitting from a longer range and than moving undetected to new fire positions and so on will keep armed citizens alive longer than if they try to slug it out at shotgun or pistol range. If the enemy invader patrol wants to persue the fire team deeper into the wilderness or urban areas, fine: unarmed fellow citizens can follow the action and strip the dead that will be strung out along the fire corridor.

Large caches are for fortified bases, not moblie teams. You guys mentioned the VC tactics: well, look how they really did it. Noone had grass huts full of weapons and ammo. It is good propaganda and hearts and minds that wins. No faction can win without the support of area, and the population base around it.

My 2 cents.

[insurgent Wolf]

i like the ak47 and ar15.
for 650$ you can get a good ak47 from lancaster arms or arsenal inc.
for 850$ you can get a good ar15 from olympic arms or dpms.

i like to have atleast 2 of everything for backup or to loan to a friend till he can get his own.

[insurgent Wolf]

i like the ak47 and ar15.
for 650$ you can get a good ak47 from lancaster arms or arsenal inc.
for 850$ you can get a good ar15 from olympic arms or dpms.

i like to have atleast 2 of everything for backup or to loan to a friend till he can get his own .

[insurgent Wolf]

you can form cells and flyingcolums for guerrilla warfare.

read militia manual http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/library/militia/index.html

a guerrilla group has a milatary wing and a polytical wing

one for shoot em up and one for hearts and minds.



sorry i accidentally double posted.

[W.N.S 88]

Anyone here practice hand to hand combat such as fighting with knives or bayonets.

[insurgent Wolf]

i own a ka-bar and another knife with 4inch blade.
i do practice thrusting and slashing.
i read about the vital parts of humans,so i know were to strike.

read the book get tough (use of the knife)

[NorseHammer]

i read about the vital parts of humans,so i know were to strike.

read the book get tough (use of the knife)

Have you trained with a rubber knife? Reading a knife book makes you book smart not knife smart. If you have not already I suggest you practice with a friend or two with some rubber knives.

[W.N.S 88]

Ya I think they practice with wood or rubber knives in the military.

[XxGUNGNIRxX]

Yes post all the weapons you have and the skill you have learned. Oh and don't for get to add picks and links to all your info. The government will thank you for it later and will be tracking you IPs so that can kick in your doors. To any "feds" I can shoot lazers out my eyes and own 5000 tanks. I got them on ebay from Jonh Q. Smith. My address is 5588 S. Dodo st. I plan to arm the monkeys I got on the black market (The guy is on my myspace) with the Ak's and pee filled super soakers I got from www.getgunsandpeehere.net

[insurgent Wolf]

have i said anything illegal?

how is a knife illegal?

i said i own 2 knives, so what.

i never said i own guns.
guns are legal in the usa anyways.

[XxGUNGNIRxX]

have i said anything illegal?

how is a knife illegal?

i said i own 2 knives, so what.

i never said i own guns.
guns are legal in the usa anyways.I'm just being a smartass, its kinda my thing. With only 2 knifes you are on the 4-5 run of door kickings at best, no fear man.

[joseph patrick]

We should all be armed at all times or we might end up as a socialist country. Just look around and you will see the liberals and jerks that have showed up so keep your guard up at all times and don't be a victim.

[Watcher]

We should all be armed at all times or we might end up as a socialist country. Just look around and you will see the liberals and jerks that have showed up so keep your guard up at all times and don't be a victim.

There was a saying about how being prepared is half the battle.

I own a M9 military knife that they were getting rid of. It needs sharpened though. I also got a cool 1918 Entrenching (sp?) knife. I don't have the money to buy a gun yet, but plan on eventually.

[irishskin]

i was convicted of aggravated assault on a african-american in 1996 using a knife.i have never used a gun in a crime and the fact that its been 13 years makes no difference.im still not allowed to own a gun of any type.im not sure if ill ever be allowed to get that right back.

the truth is,id be happy to have 1 rifle and maybe 5 rounds of ammo registered to the sheriff ,and the rifle/ammo is not to ever leave my property.something for home defense.but the rules as they are dont even allow for me to do this.


if i could have one weapon id chose a sks rifle with fixed bayonet.prefer it to be chek made, the round 7.92x39 has alot of penetration if a target hides behind a wall or vehicle you can still get him.

in melee range the butt of the gun would easily crush in a skull,or run them through via bayonet.all around a solid weapon for killing.

[insurgent Wolf]

Bear Guard Alaska Bear Pepper Spray and a machete is a good home defence combo.

[insurgent Wolf]

ennyone here know about defendu ,sytema, combat 56, line fighting?

the milatary hand to hand fighting skills as oposed to martial arts and sport fighting?

[XxGUNGNIRxX]

I know that our army teach BBJ for the most part. Its always fun to get into fight with them. They go to the ground to fight I stand up and lay on the boots. Best way to study fighting is to fight. I'm working on getting a few guys together for training. The base of it will be to destroy the enemy and get the hell out before the cops come. Rule one is there will never be a fair fight in life so be dirty and use any thing you can get your hands on. If all goes well I'll post some vids. I will say that the one thing MA will teach you is good stance. We will be starting there and working in 2-3 diff directions. You will have more fight at a bar or corner store parking lot then you ever will it the cage or dark alley mma fighter want to talk about. Remember to go for the eyes and to bite lol.

[insurgent Wolf]

telescopic steel batons.
have any of you ever encountered one?

-how good are they for self defense?

-are they just for pain compliance?
-or do they have heavy knockdown power?
-how much damage do they do?

[Htown]

Eh not my first choice. I have had experience on both ends of them. They didnt really have a hugh impact on me. Granted I was getting hit in the back and torso region. I have used one before. If you know what your doing with them they are effective distancing and resistance tools. If you can land a stiff shot on the knee or elbow it will deffinitly make you think twice about continuing the attack. as for knock out power a bat would be better. Personaly I feel I could fare better bare handed. If you get a bigger guy like me its really not that good. It has a sharp vibration upon impact. Like a standard hammer vs a dead blow hammer. A lot of energy is lost on impact.

[insurgent Wolf]

i seen the batons in catalogs.
i always like how they close up so you can put the baton in your pocket.
and i wonderd how heavy they were,
my friend saw a cop hit one against the side walk,he said it sounded heavy.

however from what you say it seems telescopic batons are ment more for speed and concealment.

[Htown]

Dont get me wrong it is a force multiplier. I feel it is not combat effective. THey are heavy about 3 punds for my 16 in one. I would feel more confident with brass knuckles or bare handed. Then again Ive boxed since I was 10 so I got a head like a brick lol. I would say they are effective against smaler built people. If you want some thing concealable that will give a solid knock out go with a maglight. They make decent sized ones (the oen I carry for work is about 6 inches) they usually come with a nice belt holster. They way a lot less and have the dead blow effect. Plus its not illegal to carry a flash light. Same with ball pin hammers...

[Htown]

please excuse any typos I have just woke up.

[insurgent Wolf]

its a question of wether or not the small club exceeds your bioligy.
some folks are so strong there fist hit harder than a small club.
like you said htown a baseball bat is good ,no matter how strong you are ,you always hit harder with a bat.

however htown have you ever seen those mini baseball bats?
which one do you think hits harder a mini bat or a telescopic baton?
which is better for self defense ?

[Htown]

The mini bat deffinitly. Compair and contrasting them. Some key points to rememebr is mini bats splinter under rough handle. The batan doesnt. The bat is solid, the batan isnt. The bat has more of a deadblow effect where the baton bounces and makes your wrist hurt. The bat really isnt that concealable, the baton is. The bat has some primal charm to it and can be used effectively by any one, trained of not. The baton...not so much.

As far as self defense any weapon is better then bare handed.

[XxGUNGNIRxX]

yeah they bend if you hit something/someone with then to hard. Its better then nothing but yeah, the hammer works better, just harder to carry.

[insurgent Wolf]

thanks for the info htown.

what do you think about "melee"weapons, like swords , axes ,machetes ,mace clubs for modern home and self defense?

some people would scoff at the idea.
however i think those weapons could be put to good use.

[Htown]

Maybe a dagger or a hatchet. Unless you got a house that every room is hugh in. If your in a little tiny room you cant really get a good swing going. Lets be honest here, do you know how to use them? Do you think the guy breaking into your house is carrying a broad sword or a pistol? You dont bring knifes to a gun fight.

[insurgent Wolf]

yes htown i agree

what i was getting at was what options might one have as an alternative to guns?
if you don't have guns.

[OrderOfTheDragon]

I own several guns, few rifles, few shotguns, etc. No handguns yet. In terms of knives I only have a few hunting knives laying around, I need to pick up some tactical ones. As for melee weapons I'm really considering getting a tactical Tomahawk. Pretty devastating weapon if used right and a great back up.

[insurgent Wolf]

tactical tomahawk.
on the history channel they demonstrated on a car how the tomahawk can break windows,pop tires and rip metal.

[insurgent Wolf]

best auto loading rifle.

in your opinion what auto loading rifle is best?

i myself like the ak47 , it's reliable and and accurate out too medium ranges.
the ak 47 with g2 trigger and aimpoint sight on a ultimak scope mount would be cool.

[Killwell]

As far as colapsable batons go, they work, just aim for the head and if you know what you're doing, nerve points, but don't plan on usin' 'em twice, they bend out of shape easily.

When I did a lot of travelling I carried a 12" crescent wrench in my back pocket, took out a guy that pulled a mag light on me, but that's just 'cause I'm a badass, lol. I'd suggest a mag light, for legal carry you can't get any better, I carried a wrench 'cause I weigh 300lbs. and don't wanna kill anyone in a bar fight. If state and local laws permit I suggest a non-beavertail blackjack.

If you can't afford a gun for home defense, I suggest a thrusting weapon i.e. long knife or bayonette, but only if you're willing to attack your assailent, suprise and a mental attitude of "him or me" is key here.

[XxGUNGNIRxX]

As far as colapsable batons go, they work, just aim for the head and if you know what you're doing, nerve points, but don't plan on usin' 'em twice, they bend out of shape easily.

When I did a lot of travelling I carried a 12" crescent wrench in my back pocket, took out a guy that pulled a mag light on me, but that's just 'cause I'm a badass, lol. I'd suggest a mag light, for legal carry you can't get any better, I carried a wrench 'cause I weigh 300lbs. and don't wanna kill anyone in a bar fight. If state and local laws permit I suggest a non-beavertail blackjack.

If you can't afford a gun for home defense, I suggest a thrusting weapon i.e. long knife or bayonette, but only if you're willing to attack your assailent, suprise and a mental attitude of "him or me" is key here.Don't use video cable lol can't belive that shit snapped like that. I got 3 feet of paratrooper cord, took down my woman lol. We never got to see if Lock beat Wrench.

[rabid]

i never leave my house unarmed , i carry a 15inch skinner , or a 10 inch gerber . and i make sure its very visable , lots of toads moving into my area and i WANT them to know ill defend myself , i practice weekly with my knives , for home def i got a rem 870 . and a cheap highpoint 45, working on better handgun.. and i do speed reload drills , switch target drill for better targeting aim.lol and the police here dont like my carrying knives but it aint illegal here , also open carry is legal here but i feel that would be asking some dumb ass to try and take it , no fear of hurting/killing if i have to but no point in going looking for it

[xdtac]

i never leave my house unarmed , i carry a 15inch skinner , or a 10 inch gerber . and i make sure its very visable , lots of toads moving into my area and i WANT them to know ill defend myself , i practice weekly with my knives , for home def i got a rem 870 . and a cheap highpoint 45, working on better handgun.. and i do speed reload drills , switch target drill for better targeting aim.lol and the police here dont like my carrying knives but it aint illegal here , also open carry is legal here but i feel that would be asking some dumb ass to try and take it , no fear of hurting/killing if i have to but no point in going looking for it

Hey you are doing the right thing, i feel people put to much pressure in what gun to get. I think the crucial thing is actually using and becoming proficent with what you have.

[Solid]

We are really restricted in what we can carry in oz but using the m4 carbine and the ever reliable Remington hand gun are my best experiences