Arrogance... or Self-Reliance

[Vallen]

In a recent discussion with one of my christian... associates... the conversation turned to the fact that I was arrogant in not accepting "god" into my life.

My rebuttal was that I am not arrogant, only self-reliant; explaining that in Asatru, the followers have no need to rely on the Gods for constant support and coddling like many christians seem to need. Hard-work, perserverance, and a true will to survive and overcome any and every odd are all character traits infused into the very essence of our Folk. Of course, my christian friend maintained that I was just arrogant to spit in the face of "god almighty", so I just gave my thanks for the discussion and walked off.

However it was an interesting conversation

Its always fun to engage in a little religious debate with others.
In any case, do any of you have any thoughts dealing with this kind of thought?

Are we arrogant by taking our lives into our own hands?

[AliceValkyria]

I think that we are not arrogant, but just responsible of ourselves, a quality that most of the "common" people doesn't seem to have.
I see that in our time most of the people want to have the minimum responsability they can have. That's just my view, of course.

[ullrs_echo]

For one Christianity is not of our people it comes from the middle eastern world... two he's jewish and for only the jews and three he's teachs are to grovel before his feet and be his slave... Our gods say to stand and fight to survive, live with glory and honour. It seems like easy logic to me...

[quite_the_saxon]

I agree, and it was because of that dead jew on a stick religion that many of our ancestor's heathen celebrations were contorted by the Roman catholics into the jewlet in a manger and easter nonsense...

[Manriki]

I always like to point out that christians can just apologize to their "god" and be forgiven no matter what (except suicide), but non-christians take their actions to the grave.

[WhiteWulf]

I could never understand the forgiving part either? How about the child molesting priest? Or the preacher with three wives at the same time? How do you grasp the notion that you can do whatever you want no matter how bad it might be? Yet by simply attending church or paying the priest you can be forgiven? But saying this and living here in western North carolina many friends and comrades are diehard in there christian beliefs. I understand this and do not try to cause conflict but rather bring all of us to the same table. Hell, I cant argue with the fact that some rules of self conduct written in the bible are good for our people. But I also understand that the bible can be used to control our people and reduce us to followers instead of free people. Like I say though in the end we need unity if we are to survive.

[Aryan_Jaeger]

Although I'm new here, but I will never apologize for my Religion, nor for the way I raise my son. Thats one of the biggest issue's with alot of the "lesser" people among us. The say they are proud Odinist until confronted then they fall on their ass trying to back peddle. Everybody has to be something, if a person so happen's to be a coward, that's on him. But do not present yourself as an Aryan Warrior and then turn your back when you are most needed.

[celtictexan]

Even Christians say God helps those who help themselves.

[revolutioncalling14]

I could never understand the forgiving part either? How about the child molesting priest? Or the preacher with three wives at the same time? How do you grasp the notion that you can do whatever you want no matter how bad it might be? Yet by simply attending church or paying the priest you can be forgiven? But saying this and living here in western North carolina many friends and comrades are diehard in there christian beliefs. I understand this and do not try to cause conflict but rather bring all of us to the same table. Hell, I cant argue with the fact that some rules of self conduct written in the bible are good for our people. But I also understand that the bible can be used to control our people and reduce us to followers instead of free people. Like I say though in the end we need unity if we are to survive.

Hail, from WNC......I would have to agree that most folk in the Mts are die hard Christians.

[aryanprincess1488]

Asatru+I was just talking to my mother in the car the other day when I was telling her what I have faith in and that I was learning more about my beliefs when She FLEW off the handle stating I wasnt going to Heaven..( Nor do I want in her so called heaven. I dont break her in pieces for following her God, why should she or any one else TRY to break me down for following my Gods? Hmmmmmm.

[Thor1488]

I agree, and it was because of that dead jew on a stick religion that many of our ancestor's heathen celebrations were contorted by the Roman catholics into the jewlet in a manger and easter nonsense...
VERY TRUE INDEED!!!
Christianity is a poison to our Folk. Always remember foriegn gods will destroy you! I say we put more kikes on crosses and see if they ressurrect! I was in a seminary for three years (Catholic) and I soon realized that I did not believe in a single god or goddess. I found myself when looking up seeing nothing but a natural world with laws that are governed by nature--birth, life and death. I saw a supernatural world that is filled with unknown spirits and so forth. Not a single all encompassing god that demands our every move? The hell with jesus and all the kikes!
14/88

[Tarnhari]

In a recent discussion with one of my christian... associates... the conversation turned to the fact that I was arrogant in not accepting "god" into my life.

My rebuttal was that I am not arrogant, only self-reliant; explaining that in Asatru, the followers have no need to rely on the Gods for constant support and coddling like many christians seem to need. Hard-work, perserverance, and a true will to survive and overcome any and every odd are all character traits infused into the very essence of our Folk. Of course, my christian friend maintained that I was just arrogant to spit in the face of "god almighty", so I just gave my thanks for the discussion and walked off.

However it was an interesting conversation

Its always fun to engage in a little religious debate with others.
In any case, do any of you have any thoughts dealing with this kind of thought?

Are we arrogant by taking our lives into our own hands?


I would argue that is is the xristling who is displaying arrogance in his assumption that his psychotic jewish desert tribal god is a universal god and that we as proud Aryans should grovel at the bastard`s feet!

[torbaywolf]

Once 3-4 years ago I told a Church of England friend that i was learning about the faith of my forefathers and it was making sence to me.To her that meant becoming a catholic,she didn't think we had faith before her midle east god arived here.
I told her I meant Celtic Brit but mostly Anglo-Saxon faith she then called me a devil worshiper she was talking about the angel the Jew god rejected by the devil.
At that point i stoped talking to her.

[Blackcrow]

Is there something not arrogant about the desert God calling himself the one and only when it is clear that there are many deities? Is there something not arrogant about Constantine's Christians assuming they had a right to torture, lie and murder their way through the world or those Jesuits who arrogantly spread these lies around the world to tribes and peoples who rejected it but were called devils and pagans for doing so.
History is riddled with periods of Christian interferance which usually involve other people's suffering as a result and of course they arrogantly disregard any other form of belief as heretic.
As far as I can tell, having studied theology for some time now, the Christian ruling church is an arrogant, cloth-eared institution that is finally suffering its final breakdown as people wake up to the truth of it and exert their free will and Jews are (as ever) a bunch of money grabbing, power hungry scum who would sell their souls for a diamond rather than stay true to their faith.
I am glad that in Asatru, I answer to nobody but myself yet have the full backing of my Gods. I am glad that I have found a religeon that is not arrogant and does not try to assert its will on others, but rather teaches through the example of the nine noble virtues.

[lucky88]

It is assumed ragnarok is just around the corner, 2090 isn't far away and why shouldn't we assume? I have to search for folk. We are assumed full of hate and rage, It truley does sadden me that they don't understand why were full of rage. Seriously if you were to tell any one race they are becoming extinct and they felt nothing!!!
they would be niether devoted to their folk, nor would they be anyone i would ever respect. so as for jesus christ and his father "god" they can believe in their revalations and the lake of fire and being forgiven for anything because thats their war not mine. My battle stands by "Securing the exsitance of our people and a future for white children." I would do anything to protect my race, I LOVE my race and thats o.k. so To assume we are going to hell....MY HELL WOULD BE GRANDCHILDREN WHO HAVE NO WHITE PERSON AVAILABLE TO MATE WITH!! It is sad but true that so many kneel to a god- and call us wrong, when we are friends of THE GODS and are oh so white I mean right...

"We ARE of ONE Blood and ONE Bone" an EDDA

[winterfox]

one of my friends (catholic) and I used to have regular debates about whatever came up in RS lessons and I thoroughly enjoyed them! I will not be switched over to another religion now and I will TELL people about asatru if they ask but not otherwise and dont see why people feel the need to force their religion on others. "If, as christians claim, we do have free will, then their God cannot be omnipotent without knowing everything that could possibly happen" was one of the arguments we had and came back to quite a few times.

[norse88]

I have found christians to be closed minded when it comes to discussions.
although christian sepratests are not that way,just as we kindred have our belief of the swastika & the christian sepratests
have there verson. one of my brothers is christian & he is respectfull of us

[norse88]

Im from bakersfield to, thats my home town Im from the south side but im not NLR, matter of fact I just talked to my
cousin "comrad" scrappy this mornin hes a dailian. good to see a homeboy posting. Hail Odin even though
this post is from '08. boots & braces & bright red laces

[rabid]

ive had a problem with alcohol and sobered up in A.A. but since ive become aware of asatru and changed my way of being. most old friends shun me as i refuse to surrender to there dead jew god,,, but i stay and have evan got a few other people starting to realize that higher power dont have to mean , xitian god ,, ill fight and stay free as long as this old man can

[norse88]

the christians are passive & we odinists are not Hail Odin! 1488

[SiegreicherWotan]

It is their assertion, and thus the burden of proof is upon them, that we are arrogant. I, and all Asatru-folk, assert that we are simply carrying on the way of our Folk since the dawn of Time, and thus have nothing to prove.

[norse88]

glad to see you have the second part of the 14 words as your quote, some of our folk dont know it.
as for your question, christians are closed minded.