Clear Instructions to the Excellent Art of Wrestling

[Loki's Advocate]

http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2000/jwmaart_steenput_1000.html

by Nicholaes Petter, 1674, and translated by Dr. Eli Steenput.

[Hveðrungur Kveldúlfsson]

Thanks man, I will make sure to check this out when ive gotten a little more sleep. I was a pretty good wrestler in high school :)

[Loki's Advocate]

I'll bet you were... <grin>

Wrestling is excellent. I hate the WWF et cetera., it's thoroughly ruined the reputation of what is, after all, the natural martial art of the 'huge bastard': crushing people, and throwing them into things (or just into the ground if nothing hard and metallic presents itself).

[Liffrea]

Wrestling was never a strong point for me. I am 5 feet 10 inches but I only weigh 9 and a half stone! I'd generally just get a beating. I prefer boxing. Excellent cross country runner though. :D

[Hveðrungur Kveldúlfsson]

I trained in some boxing, I am about 6'1" 240lbs right now but when I was in high school wrestling I was always at 210-220 and pretty lean. I've always loved combat sports but now at 19 years old my knees are %#@*%# and so is my left shoulder, all my joints crack when I wake up LOL

[Liffrea]

Never kept up with the boxing I cut easily on my face although thankfully I never scared. I know what you mean about joints. Whenever I kneel down OW. Im considering fencing....

[Sigurd]

I am not very good at wrestling. I may be 6'2" and weigh 94 kg and have some muscle mass, have hard bones, and have been known to be a tough match for fighting, but I am simply not very good at the general art of wrestling.

And yes, WWF pervert it: Plastic chairs & co.

[Loki's Advocate]

I've always been good at wrestling. Being flung to the ground like a rag doll takes all the fight out of a man, I found out early. It's all about opposing force, leverage- you pick the weak spots of the human body and apply leverage as suited.

By way of example:
(All of this must be done very quickly- 1 or two seconds at most. Practice the hand and leg movements required.

Palm, shoulder.
Back of leg and foot, against back of leg and foot.
Heave and push upwards and away
Drop leg slightly as you push, keeping your heel against heel

This is a trick that I've seen used to great effect, and it always works if done quickly and forcefully enough. I've been doing it to put bigger, stronger and more aggressive people than me on their backs since I was a small child.

It can be used to slip a 'king-hit' too, that's partly why it's so useful (if you dip your leg enough), particularly as a technique for fighting a bigger and stronger opponent. But protect your jaw for crying out loud, and be sure you've practiced.

And it's dramatic, and it's really effective- you can KO a fully sized person by pushing them into a wall or a tree or something.

[Liffrea]

I am not very good at wrestling. I may be 6'2" and weigh 94 kg and have some muscle mass, have hard bones, and have been known to be a tough match for fighting, but I am simply not very good at the general art of wrestling.

That is one good thing I can say about me. I am 5 feet 10 and 9 and a half stone. But it is all muscle and gristle. I can barely pinch fat on my mid-drift. Thanks to the gods I have never yet broken a bone.


I've always been good at wrestling. Being flung to the ground like a rag doll takes all the fight out of a man, I found out early. It's all about opposing force, leverage- you pick the weak spots of the human body and apply leverage as suited.

Sounds like Judo. What are people's oppinions on the martial arts. I have been in enough scrapes in my time to form the oppinion that they are pritty useless in a situation. Seeing a former friend having shards of glass removed from his face because he thought he was a Kung-Fu master and nearly go blind may have given me a negative impression.

[Cottatt]

Never kept up with the boxing I cut easily on my face although thankfully I never scared. I know what you mean about joints. Whenever I kneel down OW. Im considering fencing....

Frencing is a great sport, however, if you have problems with wrists/elbows/knees I cannon reccomend it, best study more 'rigid' styles such as those used by many re-enactment groups....however the reverse is true if you have bad shoulders or back.

[Liffrea]

Frencing is a great sport, however, if you have problems with wrists/elbows/knees I cannon reccomend it, best study more 'rigid' styles such as those used by many re-enactment groups....however the reverse is true if you have bad shoulders or back.

Well I would probably have a word with the quack first and see what he thought.

I have considered joining a re-enactment group. Regia Anglorum http://www.regia.org/. If anyone is a member what is it like?

[Hveðrungur Kveldúlfsson]

Ive looked through it and a lot of this stuff reminds me of Judo and Jiu Jitsu, pretty cool L.A.

Thanks :cool:

[Outdoorsman]

Never kept up with the boxing I cut easily on my face although thankfully I never scared. I know what you mean about joints. Whenever I kneel down OW. Im considering fencing....

Great! I think you'd enjoy it. I was in fencing in high school and for a while after. Great sport!

http://www.usfencing.org/

[Liffrea]

Great! I think you'd enjoy it. I was in fencing in high school and for a while after. Great sport!

Thanks for the link Outdoorsman. Some good info. The find a club in your area is less usefull since I am on the other side of the pond. :p

[Outdoorsman]

Thanks for the link Outdoorsman. Some good info. The find a club in your area is less usefull since I am on the other side of the pond. :p


You may like this one better. Fencing 101

http://www.whatisfencing.com/

And this...

http://www.britishfencing.com/

:D

[Liffrea]

Thanks Outdoorsman. Definately inspired. :)

[Hrafnas]

I used to wrestle in high school as well. Damn good at it back then. Only sport that I was ever really good at. Too bad I'm now in my thirties with a bad elbow, knees, and back. It was such a good sport. I remember dropping thirty pounds for a competition. Heat lamps and garbage bags. :D Oh yeah, and Stu Hart gave me the hurting of my life after I finished doing it for real.
I wouldn't mind trying Glima if I good find someone to teach it. I could manage the pains for a while I guess. :rolleyes:

[calumthug]

yup, I remember the good ole days, passing out in the parking lot after losing 11 lbs of sweat in one practice. We had one of the best H.S teams in the nation. My joints hurt too, plus a broken shoulder (and thats the good one) but I still would do it again.

Ryan

[solar_nexus]

I train a combination of boxing, submission wrestling (a mix between freestyle wrestling and bjj), and muay thai for full contact fighting. I would like to train in fencing, but the only thing that I know about it is from the books Old Sword Play by Alfred Hutton and English Martial Arts by Terry Brown, and for fun I'll do the movements (combined with things that just well up from within) from those books with my machette, kabar, or staff. Personally, I think I'm doing it right (knowing how to use my hands due to my boxing training has made me very comfortable with melee weapons in general), I once went to this thing where all of these people were fighting with foam weapons and they had this thing called "The Pit" where everyone was in a circle and the person in the middle had to fight each person until he was "killed", in which the victor then goes through the same process. Well, not to brag ( well, okay...I'm bragging ::shrug:: ) , but I actually ended up beating every person there and the "head honchos" definitely didn't want me back because I made them feel inferior (I seem to have this effect on people for some reason) and they felt that I was invading there turf. I've never really been able to fit in with the Roleplaying/Gamer crowd anyway (see how pathetic I am, I got rejected by rejects :D ).

[Loki's Advocate]

I once went to this thing where all of these people were fighting with foam weapons and they had this thing called "The Pit" where everyone was in a circle and the person in the middle had to fight each person until he was "killed", in which the victor then goes through the same process.

Ah, the old 'meat-grinder'.

What was 'the thing' called?

[Fenris]

I've always loved wrestling, and weighing 260lbs and being 6'3" I've certainly got the "big bastard" build for throwing people around like ragdolls.

For example, someone grabs my hand or wrist, 99% of the time, a moment later I've instead got hold of their thumb or a finger and am bending it backwards, leading them into an armlock or using it to open them up for a throat-grab or headlock so I can sling them around like a sack of spuds. It's also fun when someone tries spearing me with their shoulder in my stomach, I lock my arms underneath them, heft them upwards, and slam them into the nearest solid object (or the ground).

I won a regional gold medal for wrestling when I was 14 back home in England, and on top of that, I've dabbled in other martial arts (graded at least once each in 3 forms of Karate, graded thrice in Tae Kwon Do) and I boxed alongside my wrestling training, but the perfect addition to my wrestling has always been my study of Muay Thai, it's the perfect complementary fighting style for big guys, meshing with wrestling so perfectly it's like the two were made for one another. I studied Muay Thai under Master Sken, one of the 3 guys responsible for bringing it to the west.

A Muay Thai/wrestling/dirty street combination style has always served me well, I've basically put most else aside, though certain blocks and such I learned still find use, more often than not, my modus operandi comes down to windpipe grabs (an opponent unable to breathe is an opponent quickly out of air and fight), finger-bending (they quit or it snaps, simple), headlocks (head + wall = ouch), slams (an opponent slammed into the ground, as someone else already mentioned, can have the fight knocked right out of them), armlocks (open them up for more reprisal), knees to the floating ribs (knocks the wind out of them AND has a chance of breaking ribs), single-knuckle punches under the arms (it's sensitive down there, wow does this hurt), elbows in the eyebrow (splits it, blinds them with blood), elbows to the mouth/jaw (smash teeth, jar head), elbows to the temple (risky business, but you can drop someone like a brick, something to use only when absolutely necessary though, as it can put the person in a coma), and all manner of other methods to incapacitate an opponent.

:D

I'm not a bad person, I'm just fond of staying healthy.

[solar_nexus]

Hmmm, you live in Illinois, eh? Live in the Northwest Suburbs? You should check out Jeff Currans school off of Route 14 in Crystal Lake.

~Agent Enemy


I've always loved wrestling, and weighing 260lbs and being 6'3" I've certainly got the "big bastard" build for throwing people around like ragdolls.

For example, someone grabs my hand or wrist, 99% of the time, a moment later I've instead got hold of their thumb or a finger and am bending it backwards, leading them into an armlock or using it to open them up for a throat-grab or headlock so I can sling them around like a sack of spuds. It's also fun when someone tries spearing me with their shoulder in my stomach, I lock my arms underneath them, heft them upwards, and slam them into the nearest solid object (or the ground).

I won a regional gold medal for wrestling when I was 14 back home in England, and on top of that, I've dabbled in other martial arts (graded at least once each in 3 forms of Karate, graded thrice in Tae Kwon Do) and I boxed alongside my wrestling training, but the perfect addition to my wrestling has always been my study of Muay Thai, it's the perfect complementary fighting style for big guys, meshing with wrestling so perfectly it's like the two were made for one another. I studied Muay Thai under Master Sken, one of the 3 guys responsible for bringing it to the west.

A Muay Thai/wrestling/dirty street combination style has always served me well, I've basically put most else aside, though certain blocks and such I learned still find use, more often than not, my modus operandi comes down to windpipe grabs (an opponent unable to breathe is an opponent quickly out of air and fight), finger-bending (they quit or it snaps, simple), headlocks (head + wall = ouch), slams (an opponent slammed into the ground, as someone else already mentioned, can have the fight knocked right out of them), armlocks (open them up for more reprisal), knees to the floating ribs (knocks the wind out of them AND has a chance of breaking ribs), single-knuckle punches under the arms (it's sensitive down there, wow does this hurt), elbows in the eyebrow (splits it, blinds them with blood), elbows to the mouth/jaw (smash teeth, jar head), elbows to the temple (risky business, but you can drop someone like a brick, something to use only when absolutely necessary though, as it can put the person in a coma), and all manner of other methods to incapacitate an opponent.

:D

I'm not a bad person, I'm just fond of staying healthy.