Muslims in Europe

[Tilaru]

Here an interesting article I just found on this past topic :rolleyes:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136964/

[Asbrandsson OR]

Hello,

I think that it is obvious that Islam is a threat to Europeans everywhere, but there is not much that can be done about it yet.

Asbrandsson OR

[Sigurd]

It's not the first time that an alien desert faith is invading our Folk. Seems the case every 1000-1500 years. :rolleyes:

[Wolfrik]

End of Multiculturalism?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

[BerserkDog]

End of Multiculturalism?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/
Good story. :thumbup: Don't expect the US to fall in line with folk-think, though. :o

[Katia]

That is a good article. Yay for the Dutch! The same thing has been happening in French Canada for the past two decades. Though recently, their political party seems to have sold out and sided with some libs.

[Alaric]

The only way to stop muslims,multiculturalism, acculturation and so on is to smash and destroy all of the economies of Europe and North America.

Why? It is the economy that thrives on third world labour. It is the economy that gets it's finances and money from white men and women.

It is American and European politicians who are corrupt on globalized politics to only further their own self indulgent causes.


It is white men and women who have turned into useless consumers.

It is white men and women who funds and supports materialism.


If you do not eradicate the very cause of our sufferings then all attempts to install better change for our future generations and ourselves is futile.

[MacQuiston]

End of Multiculturalism?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

A small breath of fresh air that has been long awaited. Let's hope these policies become a trend throughout Europe. :)

[Torquil]

In the Netherlands, 6 percent to 7 percent of the population, and as much as half the population of large cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam, are Muslim.

HALF!? I had no idea it was this much!

[Sigurd]

HALF!? I had no idea it was this much!

Almost a third of all "Dutch" apparently are from one or another immigrant background.

Well, Austria is in any case not seeing such a wave. (Is it because we have been critical most of the time, and thus not seen quagmires such as in Holland or France?) The FPO (Freiheitliche Partei Oesterreichs - Freedom Party of Austria)- the only party actually concerned about the welfare of *Austrians* - may be gaining support after support after support, but their posters advertising a "referendum"/"petition" on more independence from the EU have been either torn down, or defaced by, for example, drawing a certain length of moustache on H.C. Strache's face ::bang:: And of course, FPO events are suddenly cancelled by local authorities - i.e. they are now forbiding a party that sits in parliament their right to assembly.
Whilst at the same time, Viennese mayor Häupl, of the SPO (Sozialdemokratische Partei Oesterreichs), a diehard Socialist, supports the Muslims in the Cartoon War; and even Jörg Haider is no longer what he once was - his police in Carinthia allows the Muslims to have a protest, but not FPO members to have a counterprotest. ::bang::

[Alaric]

A small breath of fresh air that has been long awaited. Let's hope these policies become a trend throughout Europe. :)

Not really. There are plenty of muslims still there and they will not disapear.


I am also sure there is still multicultural groups there screaming bloody cries over there.

After this cartoon riot and what not all will come back to normal which is attacking the white race.

[HowlingOskorei]

That is a good article. Yay for the Dutch! The same thing has been happening in French Canada for the past two decades. Though recently, their political party seems to have sold out and sided with some libs.

You seem to forget about the Acadians in Nova Scotia who passed laws in their municipalities to prevent immigrants from moving in, and it has worked.

One thing I have to say to the multicultural people: Go and move to one of those countries you love so much and see how much you love it. You'd be crying to come home within 24 hours.

[Aella]

I don't know whether or not my fellow Brits on this board would agree, but one of the biggest obstacles (for us in UK) to opposing/questioning "multi-culturism" (which BTW - I consider to be an impossibility) is that the very second you question the concept you are branded a bigot/a racist or worse. (Thank you Tony and Cherie B.Liar!)

I best lay my cards on the table before I continue :) Whilst I very much agree with the concept of "Faith, Folk and Family" - I have absolutely no problem, or axe to grind, with people from other backgrounds. I have black and asian friends, I am married to a (lapsed :D ) Jew and I respect the right of every person, whatever their race or faith, to live in peace. You will never, ever read a "racial supremacy" post from me - that you can be sure of.

However, there is a huge difference between "living in peace" and "multi-culturism". Multi-culturism (at least in UK) seems to me to mean - give in to all of the demands of the incomer and in so doing supress your own heritage. Well, that is, in my book, a form of reverse racism. Which is, lets face it, just as bad as outright and overt racist bigotry.

One of the many, many things that the "Loony-Left PC Brigade" have failed to grasp is this - ethnic minorities want (just as we do) to be left alone to do their own thing. The very last thing that they wish for is laws that make the indigenous people mistrustful of them and their ways. They want to be accepted not alienated and "Multi-Culturism" has, to date, proved to be, not a way of progressing intergration, but instead, the best recruiting agent any extreme Nazi movement could possibly have hoped for.

For example, when town and city councils ban the English flag, or a Christian (and do not misread that as support for the Christian faith :nono: ) festival on the grounds that it may offend black people or Moslems or whoever, most black people, or people from a non- christian faith, cringe with embarrasment at the very idea that some sandle wearing white leftie thought that it would offend them in the first place! IT DOESN'T!! And if truth be known, there are many, many black folks (and Moslems) who are more loyal to "England" than some of the English people are! And they are very proud of that flag!

Multi-culturism is a wonderful "ideal" if you live in a sanitised fluffy bunny world. But we do not live in such a world and so for me the solution is a simple one "EACH TO HIS OR HER OWN".

Be friends with other peoples? Yes, why not. Respect other peoples? Of course, that is simple common courtesy. But integrate, appease and suck up to them? NO - that is a path that leads to the destruction of our folk and also the destruction of the folk that you are trying to integrate with.

IOW, instead of trying to erradicate our differences - why not celebrate them?

[HowlingOskorei]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if some minorities get embarassed by the actions of SLLWs (self-loathing liberal whites). I've expressed myself freely in blogs and stuff, and I was floored at how many Blacks and Jews have sent me messages of support, saying that they agree with me or "like the way I think". But then there are people who walk over the SLLWs to get what they want.

But then there's the flipside: When I worked on the cruise ships, I met many Englishmen who were trying to emigrate to Canada because of the Muslims in their homeland. "It's not my country anymore" one of them said. Another English person told me about a neighbourhood in London that was taken over by Muslims, and how they put up a sign saying "WHITES NOT WELCOME". "In the Queen's England, this is allowed to happen!" he said. I also caught the tail-end of a documentary on CBC about Islam in Europe, and about how in Malmo, Sweden, if someone calls an ambulance they have to get a police escort because of the Muslims. There was also an interview with an imam who was justifying the beheading of Swedes with verses from the Koran. The documentary also talked about how Canada gets something like 300,000 immigration applicants from Frenchmen wanting to move to Quebec. They interviewed a few Frenchmen who did gain Canadian citizenship and they cited the "Muslim problem" back home as their main reason for leaving.

Muslims in Canada do not want to integrate either. They refuse to learn English or French, and only conduct business with other Muslims, meaning they do not contribute to Canadian society as a whole at all. My father is originally from the Faroe Islands, and he moved to Canada in his late teens. He learned English and French and he acted Canadian and embraced Canadian values. My mother's family refused to speak anything other than French to him, and French was spoken in the home with us offspring. He also started his own business and served Canadians, employed Canadians, and to this day takes Canadian students on for work terms. To move to a new country, you have to embrace and accept the local culture, and one would say that my dad is a true Acadian now. If I moved to the Middle East, I would be expected to wear a hijab, abstain from alcohol and pork, adhere to their rules, and pretty much give up my culture, but I will NOT do this on my own soil.

[Schwarzesonne]

I agree 100% with what you were saying, Aella!

My workplace is made up of a dense mix of whites (of various backgrounds), Brazilians and Puerto Ricans with a few token blacks, Pakistanis and Orientals added to the mix. I get along well with everyone (well, except for a couple of individuals, but our conflicts have nothing to do with ethnicity). It’s actually been proven through government studies that integrated military units function better than segregated ones; which is why the US military changed its policy on this. I expect that it’s no different in the civilian workplace.

OTOH one of the reasons, I believe, that we do get along so well is because there aren’t policies in place that show favouritism toward any particular group and that promotions and so forth are, in fact, based on an employee’s merits.

No, these are not the people I’m going to bring home and invite to a kindred gathering or what have you. But we will do favours for one another at work and enjoy one another’s companionship while we’re on the clock. We’ve even shared some interesting conversations about the runen or the Irminsûl because every now and again someone will ask about my tattoos LOL

But when it’s time to go home they do whatever it is they do with their Volk and I do what I will with mine. We share some similarities and there are some differences--and this is how it should be!

[HowlingOskorei]

Well, while we're on the subject, I should share with you some rap lyrics from Muslim artists living in France. These albums are readily available on record store shelves in France and French-speaking Canada.

"J'crie haut, j'baise votre nation l'uniforme bleu, depuis tout
p'tit nous haïssons. On remballe et on leur pète leur fion. Faut pas
qu'y ait une bavure ou dans la ville ça va péter, du commissaire au
stagiaire, tous détestés ! A la moindre occasion, dès qu'tu l'peux,
faut les balayer, bats les couilles, les porcs qui représentent
l'ordre en France".

Translation:

I scream loud, I **** with your nation and your police, ever since
we were young we hated you. We look down on them and we **** on
their pride. We must never make peace, in the streets there will be
way, with the bastard cops, we hate them all. At any occasion, do
what you can do, to kill them, to beat them, the pigs who represent order in France.



"Niquer l'systeme, ils auront le feu car ils ont semé la haine qu'on
les brûle, qu'on les pende ou qu'on les jette dans la Seine. Elle
cherche à brûler nos racines, mais y a des soldats, des vrais
guerriers dans l'ghetto. J'aimerais être dans la peau de ce flingue,
tenu dans la main d'un beur qui se verrait caler Le Pen".

Translation:

Screw the system, the will burn since they have planted the seeds of
hate which burn within is, which we hold and throw in their faces.
France searches to burn our roots, but there are soldiers, real
warriors in the ghetto. I want to be in the conflict, and cut off
the hand of a Frenchman.


"Pour mission exterminer les ministres et les fachos. La France est
une garce et on s'est fait trahir. On nique la France sous une
tendance de musique populaire, les frères sont armés jusqu'aux
dents, tous prêts à faire la guerre ! Faudrait changer les lois et
pouvoir voir bientôt à l'Elisée des arabes et des noirs au pouvoir,
faut que ça pète ! Frère je lance un appel, on est là pour tous
niquer, la France aux français, tant qu'j'y serai ça serait
impossible, leur laisser des traces et des séquelles avant de
crever. Faut leur en faire baver v'la la seule chose qu'ils ont
mérités, t'façon j'ai plus rien a perdre, j'aimerais les faire
pendre. Mon seul souhait désormais est de nous voir les envahir, ils
canalisent la révolte pour éviter la guerre civile".

Translation:

A mission to exterminate the ministers and the fascists. France is a
bitch and we will commit treason. We screw France through our music.
Our brothers are armed to the teeth, all ready for war! We must
change the laws so that we can see at l'Elisée blacks and Arabs in
power, then we will **** on locals. Brother I call you, we are here
to screw them all, France and Frenchmen, until it is impossible for
them to live. We must make them suffer the fate they deserve. I have
nothing to lose, I want to hang them. My only wish is to see them
die, they channel revolt to prevent civil war.


"Allez - y lâchez les pitts, cassez les vitres quoi, rien à foutre,
d'façon en face c'est des flics, c'est UNITY, renoi, rebeu, babtou,
tway, mais si on veut contrôler Paris, tu sais que ça sera tous
ensemble. Ca y est les pitts sont lâchés, les villes sont à chier,
les vitres sont cassées, les keufs sont lynchés, enfin ça soulage,
faut que Paris crame. Ce soir à mort Le Pen, on redémarre la
guillotine, pire qu'à Djibouti, Poitiers brûle et cette fois-ci, pas
de Charles Martel on vous élimine, puisque c'est trop tard, la
France pète, j'espère que t'as capté le concept."

Translation:

Come on, get your weapons, smash windows. We have nothing to lose.
Do it like in the movies. This is UNITY. If we want to control
Paris, we have to stick together. Get your weapons, the cities are
****, we smash the windows, lynch Frenchmen, just until Paris
collapses. Tonight we will kill, we will bring back the guillotine,
worse than Djibouti. Burn their businesses and this time, no Charles
Martel, we will eliminate you. It is too late, France is ****. I
hope you get what I'm saying.


"J'aimerais voir brûler Panam au nappalm sous les flammes façon
Vietnam tandis que ceux de ton espèce galopent ou 24 heures par jour
et 7 jours par semaine. J'ai envie dégainer sur des faces de craie
dommage que ta mère ne t'ai rien dit sur ce putain de pays, me tirer
ma carte d'identité avec laquelle je me suis plusieurs fois torché."

Translation:

I would like to see Panam burn in Napalm like in Vietnam, and see those
damned Frenchmen suffer 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I really want
to cum on the faces of "chalkfaces" and rape the women in this
slutty country, and tear up my ID which has burned me.


"C'est physique, biologique, au bleu, blanc, rouge, j'suis
allergique. Je leur en fait baver, ces navets, j'peux les braver, la
vie est une manif, la France une vitre et moi le pavé."

Translation:

It's physical, biological, I am allergic to blue, white and red. I
will make them bleed. I can brave them, life is a menace. France is
a window and I am the brick.


"Quand le macro prend le micro, c'est pour niquer la France. Guerre
raciale, guerre fatale, oeil pour oeil, dent pour dent, organisation
radicale. Par tous les moyens il faut niquer leurs mères. Gouers
[Français] c'est toi qui perd, flippe pour ta femme, tes enfants
pour ta race. On s'est installé ici c'est vous qu'on va mettre
dehors."

Translation:

When worse comes to worse, this is for screwing France. Racial war,
fatal war, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, radical organization.
I will use all mediums, we must rape their mothers. Frogs, it is you
who will lose, your women and children will die. We are here and we
will kick you out.


"La France est une garce, n'oublie pas de la baiser jusqu'à
l'épuiser, comme une salope il faut la traiter, mec !" ou "Moi, je
****e sur Napoléon et le général de Gaulle."

Translation:

France is a bitch, don't forget to **** them over like the sluts
they are. We must commit treason. I **** on Napoleon general of Gaul.


Je m'adresse à toi petit blanc / Je baise ton gouvernement / tu me
diras / "pourquoi tant de Haine ?"/ avec la sale haleine / je te
dirais/ ta mère / ta soeur / cette chienne / kiffe l'Afrique / ma
trique/ ma ziq / logique / elle veut un négroïde.

Translation:

I speak to you, little white. I **** your government. You say to
me "why so much hate?" with bad breath. I say to you, your mother,
and your sister, those dogs, my ****, Africa is superior, and all white women want a Negroid.

[Aella]

Yeah, you find extremist pratts in all corners - it does not mean that an entire folk are "bad".

There are some very extreme views on some of the pages of this forum. Granted, they are not as profound as this that you quote above but they are none the less offensive and racist. That does not mean that every Odinist is a nazi bigot any more than your findings make all Moslems extremist nutters.

There is good and bad in all peoples - the trick is to destroy the bad, seek the good and then forge a better world for everyone.

[HowlingOskorei]

Well, I found these records available at a record store in Halifax. I talked to the manager, then I called the Department of Acadian Affairs to get them removed from record store shelves in Nova Scotia.

[Aella]

Well, I talked to the manager, then I called the Department of Acadian Affairs to get them removed from record store shelves in Nova Scotia.

I thought that your signature banner called for freedom of speech? That works both ways mate.

I do not like the lyrics you showed us either, but it would be most hypocrytical to demand their removal if you also support the Danish cartoons.

[Schwarzesonne]

Viva la Savate!

[Don vonMilikowski]

Wow.....

Okay, for the record I have a background in not quite so popular politics. My kids have never seen it, but know a lot of unusual people. My closest friends are Mexican, White, and Jewish. My kids friends locally (one of my best friends sisters kids) are Jewish and Black. All my friends know about my past, I do not hide it, not at all. Record off

Muslims in general are taught to convert or kill, whether they do it or not is up to them. It teaches slavery (one who submits) which is what we as Heathens should fear the most. I don't worry about much, but being enslaved to a person or god does not sound like fun to me (and I do know what fun is).

Now I think ANYONE should be pushed back where they come from if they cannot get along with others, if they can, good. Anyone who goes into a foreign land and demands things is out of their freaking mind. Anyone who goes into a foreign land and dictates diplomacy again is out of their mind. Anyone who riots in a foreign country - while a riot can be fun - is out of step.

I am no flag waving patriot by any standard, but I will fight anything on my front porch or my kids front porch. If I am needed to fight on my borders I will fight.

[HowlingOskorei]

These lyrics incite hate and encourage violence (and hence are against Canadian law), the cartoons do not.

You cannot buy Burzum or Aborym records in Nova Scotia, and those lyrics are far tamer. Aborym isn't even a hate group, and Burzum's music isn't overtly racist, just the composer is.

[Sigurd]

I do not like the lyrics you showed us either, but it would be most hypocrytical to demand their removal if you also support the Danish cartoons.

The Danish cartoons simply bring an opinion across. These lyrics are an incitement to violence and even murder; also a threat to rape women and kill kids.
While everybody should be entitled to an opinion, one must not preach violence and murder.
Freedom of Speech, IMO, stops where someone deliberately encourages violence with the idea to incite violence.

[Horsekeeper]

I think that we now live in dangerous times where different races are pitted against one another for the good of the semites.

Have you ever looked into the people behind these equal rights,multicultural,multi racial,feminist,pro homosexual quangos?

All come from from socialist,marxist,communist,trotsky backgrounds.

In Albion right now to denie multiculturalism is to declare that one is insane or an idoliser of Hitler.They call it diversityTM but i see it as a destruction of my kith and kin.

I have respect for all races and faiths and believe that all should have a place to call home,but when my homeland is invaded and defiled and i see my kin reduced to 'binge drinkers' or 'metrosexuals' because that whats fashionable and the invaders hold political power over the white aboriginals (thats what i call myself because i am!) my patience runs out.

I can no longer live in Albion because i don't make enough to buy a piece of land and build a home for my family :mad:

I refuse to have a mortgage because i don't want to fund my own demise from the hands of the semite bankers.

Multiculturalism is basically the mass immigration of voters loyal to who ever let them come.

We aboriginals will foot the bill! :nono:

[Teufelhunden]

"Now I think ANYONE should be pushed back where they come from if they cannot get along with others, if they can, good. Anyone who goes into a foreign land and demands things is out of their freaking mind."


"Multiculturalism is basically the mass immigration of voters loyal to who ever let them come."

We aboriginals will foot the bill!
Sound familiar in the South west US anyone?

[Don vonMilikowski]

"Now I think ANYONE should be pushed back where they come from if they cannot get along with others, if they can, good. Anyone who goes into a foreign land and demands things is out of their freaking mind."


"Multiculturalism is basically the mass immigration of voters loyal to who ever let them come."

We aboriginals will foot the bill!
Sound familiar in the South west US anyone?

Mmmmmm, but I LOVE Mexican food......

[Sigurd]

Mmmmmm, but I LOVE Mexican food......

So? All the Pizzashops here are run by Brits. Well, the occasional Pakistani or Turkish, but no Italians doing it. No one says you need the people to cook their food... :D

[Don vonMilikowski]

So? All the Pizzashops here are run by Brits. Well, the occasional Pakistani or Turkish, but no Italians doing it. No one says you need the people to cook their food... :D

Sigi, come to Arizona, meet some of the Mexican ladies that cook the food...... Little brother I will have you begging in Spanish for more, Most American's don't know how to cook good Mexican food, Taco Bell, Del Taco and other fly by nights are NOT Mexican food...... I am drooling so much and it is lunch time...... Be right back.... Going to Macayo's.....

[Horsekeeper]

Because they cook good food dosen't mean that i want them to come to my country and rape,bomb,burn my race out of exsistence :mad:

In Keithley west yorkshire over five hundred under age white girls have been raped and drugged into prostitution by the islamic scum and the police do nothing.(the PC police closed down the squad investing these crimes)

The labour MP Ann Cryer turned and said to a mothers group (mothers against paedophiles.)

"You just have to get use too it!" meaning that as long as here daughters safe she couldn't give a rats **** about the white working classes of a once proud white coal mining community :mad:

[Sigurd]

"You just have to get use too it!" meaning that as long as here daughters safe she couldn't give a rats **** about the white working classes of a once proud white coal mining community :mad:


:eek:

That is truly terrible! Child-molesters in a country I would run would suffer the severest of punishments: They should go down with the death penalty, but not before they have been made subject to pain themselves.

I remember the trauma one of my ex-girlfriends had when it came to any man-to-woman interaction - even several years after her stepfather had decided to play around with her! :mad:

It appears to be that your local Labour MP has never even spoken to a person who was abused as a child, otherwise she would not act in such a disgusting way!!!

As regards your rape prosecution rate, we are probably off even worse - it is only 6% over here in Scotland.

[HowlingOskorei]

It's time we rose up against this... seriously.

[Sigurd]

It's time we rose up against this... seriously.

Without being called "bigots" by the Libins? :lol:

Hel, lately I got called a "racist" by a number of people, just because I told a black boy, who was literally bugging a (blonde, white) girl (and she was even clearly not interested in him!), to leave her alone! If even standing up for the rights of a girl gets me calls of "racist" and "bigot"; then what will it be when it comes to things such as rape, murder, terrorism, etc etc.

And even for the last of them - terrorism - they find it more important to detain 82-year-old men who interrupt a speech with the word "nonsense" under section 44, than anything...

I would love to see a country where we could be proud of our roots, and direct criticism at foreigners, when it is due (obviously not when it is undue!) without being done for "inciting racial hatred". (Free Speech -> The right to say anything you want as long as it is not offensive, and as long as it is within the policies of the New Labour government...) - but the truth is far from it!

OK, I will stop right here, this ought not get political... :swinghamm

[Horsekeeper]

Without being called "bigots" by the Libins? :lol:

Hel, lately I got called a "racist" by a number of people, just because I told a black boy, who was literally bugging a (blonde, white) girl (and she was even clearly not interested in him!), to leave her alone! If even standing up for the rights of a girl gets me calls of "racist" and "bigot"; then what will it be when it comes to things such as rape, murder, terrorism, etc etc.

And even for the last of them - terrorism - they find it more important to detain 82-year-old men who interrupt a speech with the word "nonsense" under section 44, than anything...

I would love to see a country where we could be proud of our roots, and direct criticism at foreigners, when it is due (obviously not when it is undue!) without being done for "inciting racial hatred". (Free Speech -> The right to say anything you want as long as it is not offensive, and as long as it is within the policies of the New Labour government...) - but the truth is far from it!

OK, I will stop right here, this ought not get political... :swinghamm


Ditto!

Where suppose to be non political but i just cannot turn my face to the injustice that happens everyday to our kith and kin! :mad:

[Hengest]

Who says we're suppposed to be non political?

This forum is non political, or at least we avoid it as much as possible. What you do in your own time is your business.

[Don vonMilikowski]

Hold on there, y'all lost my humor.....

Honestly in my country I want a five mile no man zone on all borders, yes ALL borders....

Damn, people are so touchy.......

[HowlingOskorei]

Hold on there, y'all lost my humor.....

Honestly in my country I want a five mile no man zone on all borders, yes ALL borders....

Damn, people are so touchy.......

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that either, and have the borders ****.

I don't know, maybe I should run for the leadership of the Liberal Party, I'm unknown in Canadian politics but I am probably better liked than Belinda Stronach.

[Winter]

No one has a "right" to move into, and stay regardless of being welcome in someone elses ancestral home. I am all for the deportation. It is not as if these people dont have a country of their oun. They should go back and make it work! Not go to someone elses country, bring their problems and inabillity to run a society fairly with them. Not to say any country is perfent ofcourse. It all comes down to common critter scence. Do you want your decendence to thrive in your ancestral home or an outsiders? Do you seriously think that we would get the same coddeling if we were to go move into their countries? Would we have as much freedom of expression/religeon? Are there as detailed intergration programs in these other countries? I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT EXIST but I am saying that treatment is not equal. When will we get beyond the dogma forced apon us by the "Poor little non whites" and self haters, and take care of our own in our own ancestrial homelands. I am even all for helping out others but after we fix what ever needs fixing in our own countries. This is BEYOND POLITICAL it is the future of our people and homelands!!!! We should talk about this everywhere we congrigate! I belive their is a way to get this across where all sides understand. If someone not euro is in a European country and says that they should be able to stay they want to take from us and our people they do not have our intrests in mind. Only their own, and can have their oun, as ALL should have, IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!! I do not want to say anymore on this. Even though this is beyond polotics someone may not want to see it the same way.

[Winter]

Hey Don, Im not going to be around that day but lets keep corrasponding.:-)

[shootingstar]

I am Dutch, I live here in Holland and let me tell you this, when muslims come here and are welcomed in, get a house and money and benifits and special projects to give them a good job (coz if we dont we are racists)..I think its very very unpolite to DEMAND an all muslim school where the kids learn everything in arabic, to DEMAND there religion to be an official one here, to DEMAND their language to be the third official one here. They built mosque's everywhere and we are not entitled to question it. Everywhere I walk, Amsterdam or even the small town where I live, I hear muslims talk in their language and ya can tell by the ugly way they look at you, its about you. They dont make it a secret they hate western society, they look down at us big time, they show no respect at all! All of them believe homosexuals are lower then pigs coz their holy book says so, most of them support the thought to kill the 'unbelievers' , which is everyone who isnt a muslim, coz apperantly their holy book says so. when i walk the streets here, doing nothing special, going to the supermarket or something like that, I get dirty disrespectful looks from them. Why? Coz Im a white girl, part of the western society they hate so much and they try to take over or whatever. And the worst thing is, they are "offended" by everything! Everything is discrimination in their eyes. Yes, also when you walk on the street and you accidently look away when a group of muslims walk there. and its hard not to look away when your window shopping!
what makes me furious is that its called freedom of speech when they say nasty **** about my country, my people, my background and when i would do the same its a hate crime!
What do you think will happen when I go visit their country, decide to stay, demand a job and a house and everything coz denying it to me would be discrimination, when I am christian and build churches everywhere, when i demand my language to be official..at what point do you think they would allready have shot me?
now dont call me a racist, im just being realistic. The muslim invasion in Western society is geting out of control and we are in deep deep ****!

[Don vonMilikowski]

We got the same thing here in the States and Canada is starting with the Brown Plague of the Mexie...... The problem is the Melting Pot theory of the US, people like me are considered bad people because I refuse to cater to them, I did my time under fire, my grandfather was an immigrant and he had to go through the hoops, my German is horrible because he passed when I was young. Luckily Christians outnumber Muslims here, I think the Muslims would be afraid to riot here (especially in Free Carry states like Arizona) because of things that can happen to them.

Mexies do the jobs no one else wants to - true most people do not want to work n construction, fast food, cooking, electronic assembly, call centers, government jobs, auto mechanics, should I keep going? Most illegals here drive better cars than I can afford, they can get home ownership easier than kids starting out in life, medical coverage from the State, assistance from the State......... I was told if I learn Spanish I get a raise, I told them to learn Japanese, more useful in business, and for engineers German is the language of choice, English is for construction.

Back to the Muslims....... Send them home, if they are native to the countries, send them where they want to be, Arabia, because that is where they belong. If they want to play well with others, let them stay and stop catering to them.

Nationalism, is it such a bad thing?

[The Wanderer]

Interestingly enough, most of the Muslims that immigrate to Western Countries, do so because they do not like the Harsh Sharia Law that is enforced in their homelands, and would rather live under the rule of English Common Law with all the rights we are supposed to enjoy. The Ismali sect of Islam is especially prevalent here, they are much smaller than the Shia and Sunni, and are very peaceful.

I for one don't mind having them here, as long as they understand that they are must abide by the laws of our society, without trying to change our laws to suit them.

[pinlighter]

I am Dutch, I live here in Holland and let me tell you this, when muslims come here and are welcomed in, get a house and money and benifits and special projects to give them a good job (coz if we dont we are racists)..I think its very very unpolite to DEMAND an all muslim school where the kids learn everything in arabic, to DEMAND there religion to be an official one here, to DEMAND their language to be the third official one here. They built mosque's everywhere and we are not entitled to question it. Everywhere I walk, Amsterdam or even the small town where I live, I hear muslims talk in their language and ya can tell by the ugly way they look at you, its about you. They dont make it a secret they hate western society, they look down at us big time, they show no respect at all! All of them believe homosexuals are lower then pigs coz their holy book says so, most of them support the thought to kill the 'unbelievers' , which is everyone who isnt a muslim, coz apperantly their holy book says so. when i walk the streets here, doing nothing special, going to the supermarket or something like that, I get dirty disrespectful looks from them. Why? Coz Im a white girl, part of the western society they hate so much and they try to take over or whatever. And the worst thing is, they are "offended" by everything! Everything is discrimination in their eyes. Yes, also when you walk on the street and you accidently look away when a group of muslims walk there. and its hard not to look away when your window shopping!
what makes me furious is that its called freedom of speech when they say nasty **** about my country, my people, my background and when i would do the same its a hate crime!
What do you think will happen when I go visit their country, decide to stay, demand a job and a house and everything coz denying it to me would be discrimination, when I am christian and build churches everywhere, when i demand my language to be official..at what point do you think they would allready have shot me?
now dont call me a racist, im just being realistic. The muslim invasion in Western society is geting out of control and we are in deep deep ****!



Welcome to the forum, Ma'am!!! I think we all agree.

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[HowlingOskorei]

Well, I'm glad that there is still a free discussion going on here about this. My account was gagged on AsatruLore.org for criticizing Islam.

[Wolf_of_Victory]

Well, I'm glad that there is still a free discussion going on here about this. My account was gagged on AsatruLore.org for criticizing Islam.

Silly considering no one bats an eyelid when christians or muslims or whoever call us infidels and such.

[Vanatru]

Well, I'm glad that there is still a free discussion going on here about this. My account was gagged on AsatruLore.org for criticizing Islam.

Oh you Canadian Minx you. :cool:

That's why I don't post there much nowdays.

The main thing there is "debating" using the Queensbury Rules of Assine Debate......dominated by a handful. Most people aren't specialists or trained in the school of debating (which is akin to masturbating in my opinion)....both lead to empty self-pleasuring.

At least IrishJay and the Mods here are "more" fair and open minded............which is ironic considering how many non-folkish people smack us as being "intolerant".

Screw 'em over there.

**Ash, if your reading this, I still love ya bro. It's business and war, not personal.

-Bill

[HowlingOskorei]

Silly considering no one bats an eyelid when christians or muslims or whoever call us infidels and such.

Noone bats an eyelid when people on Asatru Lore criticize Christians, which they do all the time. But when I criticize Islam, oh no, criticism of religion will not be tolerated. LOL. It's a PC complex eh, most Christians are white, so they criticized freely.

[HowlingOskorei]

Oh you Canadian Minx you. :cool:

That's why I don't post there much nowdays.

The main thing there is "debating" using the Queensbury Rules of Assine Debate......dominated by a handful. Most people aren't specialists or trained in the school of debating (which is akin to masturbating in my opinion)....both lead to empty self-pleasuring.

At least IrishJay and the Mods here are "more" fair and open minded............which is ironic considering how many non-folkish people smack us as being "intolerant".

Screw 'em over there.

**Ash, if your reading this, I still love ya bro. It's business and war, not personal.

-Bill

Yeah, well I rarely post there because of how intolerant the people there are, and even the universalists who are supposed to be so tolerant. I'm folkish and I get called scum for it, I'm pro gun control and back up my opinions with reasons as to why I think that way and I get called scum for it.

Needless to say, I will never post there again.

[The Wanderer]

The religious battle thing is quite absurd on some levels, and terrifyingly real on others. I have heard so called christians, Biblically justifying wiping out the Arabs completely. Thats not following Christ as far as I understand it, yet these people are right here in North America. Radical Islam is still a very small portion when you consider that there are something like 2 billion muslims in the world, but they are always keeping our attention focused on the fanatic 10% or less which gives them all a bad name. Sure its worse and more prevalent in Palestine, but can you really blame them?

If they don't like our culture they should not be allowed to immigrate to our countries. Its really that simple. Why would they bother in the first place? They should learn our language, and abide by our laws, just as we would if we went to their countries.
There are some seriously wrong aspects of so called "Multi-culturalism" when it comes to special intrest groups forcing the government to cave in to their demands. The World is Multi-Cultural, but it we start trying to make us all the same, then eventually it wont be.

[Vanatru]

Yeah, well I rarely post there because of how intolerant the people there are, and even the universalists who are supposed to be so tolerant. I'm folkish and I get called scum for it, I'm pro gun control and back up my opinions with reasons as to why I think that way and I get called scum for it.

Needless to say, I will never post there again.


:)

Not only are you cute, but your so firey. You got that heathen spirit, that's for sure.

AL is fine for those who can live with the means and ways of that type of board. It's not a folk board at all.........it's heathen Uni and reconstructionalist.....but not true Folk at all. That's fine..........that's why IrishJay had the forsight to create this place. Where our kind can go and meet likeminded people who'll further the culture of our people and are not willing to make it a fruit smoothie blended pile of crap.

-Bill

[HowlingOskorei]

Oh yeah, and what I did on there was I criticized Islam's racist element. About how the Koran refers to black people as "raisin heads" and "pug-nosed slaves", how Arab Muslims in general will not let black Muslims worship with them, and how Arab Muslim students at my school openly call black students the n-word. Also, being fluent in Bahasa Indonesia, I've been able to read various Muslim extremist sites and their remarks about white people and particularly Scandinavians. They say Scandinavians are inferior because they are just a bunch of Vikings who used to kill eachother and eat the corpses, while Muslims built Mesopotamia (WRONG! Mesopotamia predates Islam). I've also been told by Muslims at my school that they feel that they are smarter than Canadians, and as a result, will take over Canada someday... ironically, this same student copied off my homework once... so who's the smarter one?

Dumb Inferior Acadian Dhimmi - 1
Smart Future Ruler of Canada Muslim - 0

[Vanatru]

Screw 'em over there then. Double standards will always exist.

As for the Haji's..........this place be like Germany after the 2nd war. We'll eventually make 'em ours.

Till then, it'll be pop and plug those ragheads that are still stupid. And 99% of us can live with that. That's not racist, that's war.

-Bill

[HowlingOskorei]

Kinda funny, though, there are some Muslims who come to Canada and they are nice people, but know very little about Canadians and are fascinated. I guess it's a universal thing, some people are always fascinated by what they perceive as "exotic".

I had to laugh, one day I was at a market in downtown Halifax, and I was hungry so I decided to grab a bite to eat. There were two restaurants next to each other, a Middle Eastern place and a fast food joint. Given the choice between healthy Middle Eastern food with a nice array of spices which gives it a good kick, and a 1000 calorie grease burger that tastes like cardboard, which would you pick? Yeah, I picked the Middle Eastern joint and got a feed of falafel, tabouli, and hummus (mmmm... hummus). I sat down to enjoy my great meal, and sitting across the way in another table were a bunch of hijab wearing Muslim girls eating Canadian greaseburgers and poutine and looking like they were in pure ecstacy.

I'm willing to bet they find Middle Eastern food as boring an mundane as I find Canadian food. When I eat out, I like to get food from a different culture, but cook Canadian dishes at home.

I have a different theory on how to deal with people in the Middle East, I guess it's a Canadian approach because this is exactly what our Forces are doing in Afghanistan:

Slaughter the idiots, educate the the rest. Teach them how to look after themselves, but try not to force our values on them. Give them the tools (schools, health supplies, farming equipment) and then let them sort out their own problems for themselves.

[Vanatru]

I'd take the arab food. It's damn good to be honest.

I'll be more honest........I don't like these people........I'd be inclined to bomb this whole place to Nastrad and back.........if I didn't feel for the kids and women (as a parent and husband myself) which are the usual victims of war (From my experience in Bosnia and here).

They do have some things I like.........I do find their culture to be fascinating......but no better than ours in the end.

Before comign here, I used to be very accepting of them............but now........I can't really trust them. It's not a racial thing as some PC assbags would accuse me of.....it's that fact that they keep trying to kill us. Go figure.........and like you've expirienced.........people like us get labeled and blackballed from various websites.

Screw 'em.

P.S.

One of my squaddies tells me your guys (1 st Battalion Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry) are kicking *** in Afgahn.......whiich is good.......these raghead motherF'ers need a good housecleaning. Just a professional opinion of course.

-Bill

[HowlingOskorei]

Yeah, they are kicking some serious ***, but there have been a lot of Canadian deaths, and many preventable (accidents, etc.). Our military doesn't have the best of equipment, thanks to the Liberal Party that was in power for 13 years.

I was ****ed off last week. A Canadian soldier was killed in the line of duty over there, and during the memorial service held in Afghanistan, a suicide bomber attacked the squadron. Five Canadian soldiers were injured while they were paying their last respects to a fallen comrade, a 22 year old kid who just finished college.

[Vanatru]

Sorry to hear that.........I was pulled from that area last month. Our teams have been going back and forth, until this last week. Your soldiers are good people.

The terrorists are average criminals. We had a talking to with, some of them.....and most of them are average criminals who were only doing it for the money or the hope of getting all those "virgins in heaven". Pathetic really. None of that religious holy war crap.

Here's one of them:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/Vanatru/CacheDetainiee1.jpg

[The Wanderer]

I hate to be a negative nancy, but I dont really think we can fix Afganistan, that place has been a warzone without ceasing for like 100 years now.
Its basically just a Narco-State at this point anyways. Its a Clanish society, even the Taliban did not control the entire country before we invaded.
Most of them would rather support the Taliban than the UN coalition, simply because they are locals. People always seem to accept more abuse from their own kind, then they are from a occupying force.
Sure we are kicking ***, they were never really much of a threat to us to begin with though.

North Korea, now there is a freakin threat. They actually have nukes and missiles that can hit us, why we are ignorning them baffles the heck out of me.... :shake:

[Vanatru]

Hmmmmmmm...........perhaps your right on that assessement of Afgahn.

By any chance would you be willing to enlist and request a duty assignment over there and help educate the troops on the non-essentialist of the area?

:)

That bit of humor aside...........your right on target.

In itself, the country is not a threat..........outside of being an inhosptiable den of Nastrand that harbors the terrorist forces. If it weren't for that, this place wouldn't be worth a pile of sheperd feces.

I agree with your comment on the Narco-state. Poppies are a common crop; though, the govt (with U.S. payoffs) is trying paying the people not to grow poppies and therefore deprive the Haji of hard cash.

For the love of Woden and war I'd bomb this place to glass. It's the only feasable answer I can think of.

N.Korean........that's a whole nuther ballgame. :) Give it another 10 years and we'll be trying to kick them in the riceballs.

-Bill

[shootingstar]

i have so much respect for the US and canadian troops in Afganistan and Iraque!
Things here in holland are a bit different. We did send troops and our guys are there but...our government doesnt call it soldiers going to battle, they call it a 'peace operation' . This means our troops are not allowed to shoot anyone. One guy that did shoot, had to go to court here for manslaughter! Sure enough, they set him free coz it was a matter of self defense. But still, its insane to go to a battlefield and not be allowed to use your guns!

[HowlingOskorei]

Yeah, I don't understand the whole "peace operation" thing. For me, the peace operation shouldn't start until all the warmongers are killed.

Terrorists and insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq make life miserable for the general public in those areas. Our troops should clean out that element first, and then send in peacekeepers to help the locals rebuild in a not so intrusive way. They are called "peacekeepers", not "peacemakers". Meaning that they should strive to keep peace after it is established. I do give the Canadian soldiers credit for defending themselves and killing the enemy, but also for not pegging the whole local population as the enemy (which is what some people in war tend to do), and lending a hand to those who just want to get on with their lives. I guess it's me right wing and left wing at the same time. I don't like to see innocent farmers or construction workers, women, and children hurt.

Maybe it's the computer programmer/DBA mentality in me, but I think one task must be completed before the other begins.

I don't like the whole complex of "the whole population of the country we're at war with is the enemy". Here in Nova Scotia, where there are a lot of people of German descent, it was bad during World War II. Innocent Germans were harrassed and beaten down in the streets just because they were German and Canada was at war with Germany. There was a boat full of Norwegians that tried to land in Halifax, and the dumb Scots (no offense to smart Scots, these were dumb Scots) working at the docks couldn't tell the difference between Germans and Norwegian, so they wouldn't let it land. The boat was left to sit in Halifax harbour, they ran out of food on board, and a lot of the passengers starved to death. There is now a monument on the Halifax waterfront in memory of them, with the names of those who died and an apology to Norway carved on it.

[Audace12]

It's not the first time that an alien desert faith is invading our Folk. Seems the case every 1000-1500 years. :rolleyes:
;) eheheh

[RunicSage]

Without being called "bigots" by the Libins? :lol:

Hel, lately I got called a "racist" by a number of people, just because I told a black boy, who was literally bugging a (blonde, white) girl (and she was even clearly not interested in him!), to leave her alone! If even standing up for the rights of a girl gets me calls of "racist" and "bigot"; then what will it be when it comes to things such as rape, murder, terrorism, etc etc.

And even for the last of them - terrorism - they find it more important to detain 82-year-old men who interrupt a speech with the word "nonsense" under section 44, than anything...

I would love to see a country where we could be proud of our roots, and direct criticism at foreigners, when it is due (obviously not when it is undue!) without being done for "inciting racial hatred". (Free Speech -> The right to say anything you want as long as it is not offensive, and as long as it is within the policies of the New Labour government...) - but the truth is far from it!

OK, I will stop right here, this ought not get political... :swinghamm

I would like to see monocultural societies in Europe and in European colonies.

It is always Europe's burden or those of European descent to take all the world's immigrants in and I am sick of it.

[RunicSage]

No one has a "right" to move into, and stay regardless of being welcome in someone elses ancestral home. I am all for the deportation. It is not as if these people dont have a country of their oun. They should go back and make it work! Not go to someone elses country, bring their problems and inabillity to run a society fairly with them. Not to say any country is perfent ofcourse. It all comes down to common critter scence. Do you want your decendence to thrive in your ancestral home or an outsiders? Do you seriously think that we would get the same coddeling if we were to go move into their countries? Would we have as much freedom of expression/religeon? Are there as detailed intergration programs in these other countries? I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT EXIST but I am saying that treatment is not equal. When will we get beyond the dogma forced apon us by the "Poor little non whites" and self haters, and take care of our own in our own ancestrial homelands. I am even all for helping out others but after we fix what ever needs fixing in our own countries. This is BEYOND POLITICAL it is the future of our people and homelands!!!! We should talk about this everywhere we congrigate! I belive their is a way to get this across where all sides understand. If someone not euro is in a European country and says that they should be able to stay they want to take from us and our people they do not have our intrests in mind. Only their own, and can have their oun, as ALL should have, IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!! I do not want to say anymore on this. Even though this is beyond polotics someone may not want to see it the same way.

Well said.

[RunicSage]

I am Dutch, I live here in Holland and let me tell you this, when muslims come here and are welcomed in, get a house and money and benifits and special projects to give them a good job (coz if we dont we are racists)..I think its very very unpolite to DEMAND an all muslim school where the kids learn everything in arabic, to DEMAND there religion to be an official one here, to DEMAND their language to be the third official one here. They built mosque's everywhere and we are not entitled to question it. Everywhere I walk, Amsterdam or even the small town where I live, I hear muslims talk in their language and ya can tell by the ugly way they look at you, its about you. They dont make it a secret they hate western society, they look down at us big time, they show no respect at all! All of them believe homosexuals are lower then pigs coz their holy book says so, most of them support the thought to kill the 'unbelievers' , which is everyone who isnt a muslim, coz apperantly their holy book says so. when i walk the streets here, doing nothing special, going to the supermarket or something like that, I get dirty disrespectful looks from them. Why? Coz Im a white girl, part of the western society they hate so much and they try to take over or whatever. And the worst thing is, they are "offended" by everything! Everything is discrimination in their eyes. Yes, also when you walk on the street and you accidently look away when a group of muslims walk there. and its hard not to look away when your window shopping!
what makes me furious is that its called freedom of speech when they say nasty **** about my country, my people, my background and when i would do the same its a hate crime!
What do you think will happen when I go visit their country, decide to stay, demand a job and a house and everything coz denying it to me would be discrimination, when I am christian and build churches everywhere, when i demand my language to be official..at what point do you think they would allready have shot me?
now dont call me a racist, im just being realistic. The muslim invasion in Western society is geting out of control and we are in deep deep ****!

Pathetic isn't it?

We give up our land for the foreigner and then they isolate or corner our culture in small crevices looking down at us.

Then they utilize the media,popular culture or government institutions to brand us traditional volk as wicked people.

One of these days all of us will have enough and I will smile on that day.

[RunicSage]

I don't believe in coexistance of different cultures being in one place of land.

Cultures intentionally or unintentionally compete against each other in one place of land usually resulting in the destruction or assimilation of one culture or many.

All cultures came from isolation and from the means amongst themselves being monocultural.

Nationalism is the only peaceful means to the problems we face today.

[Teufelhunden]

They seem to leave their crap hole countries, only to come her and turn it into the same crap hole they left.....

[heidenwoud]

Interestingly enough, most of the Muslims that immigrate to Western Countries, do so because they do not like the Harsh Sharia Law that is enforced in their homelands, and would rather live under the rule of English Common Law with all the rights we are supposed to enjoy. The Ismali sect of Islam is especially prevalent here, they are much smaller than the Shia and Sunni, and are very peaceful.

I for one don't mind having them here, as long as they understand that they are must abide by the laws of our society, without trying to change our laws to suit them.

The muslims in the Netherlands mostly come from Turkey and Morocco, no shaira law there!

[heidenwoud]

Well, I'm glad that there is still a free discussion going on here about this. My account was gagged on AsatruLore.org for criticizing Islam.

Same here, i gave facts with sources yet i am banned, i think it is a hypocrite act to ban me because i criticise the islam religion when its perfectly alright to criticise christianity there.

[Hellqvist]

Peaceful or not, I don't want them here. Call me whatever names you wish, but from all that I've observed, these people are criminal, menacing, and a threat to European/Western culture and children alike.

[heidenwoud]

Peaceful or not, I don't want them here. Call me whatever names you wish, but from all that I've observed, these people are criminal, menacing, and a threat to European/Western culture and children alike.

I couldn't agree more.

[Athelstan]

Same here, i gave facts with sources yet i am banned, i think it is a hypocrite act to ban me because i criticise the islam religion when its perfectly alright to criticise christianity there.

Greetings,

Maybe this has come about because your views appear to be so singularly targeted against Muslims as the cause of the Folk’s present woes in THEIR Odal lands. Myself, I strife to keep the building up of Odin's Holy Nation of the Indo-European Folk first and foremost in my thoughts and efforts. I find it gives one clarity of purpose.

So sure the Muslims are an imminent threat to our indigenous cultures now - I would like to them gone as well. But be realistic and do not forget how they got to OUR Odal lands in the first place. It was not their vile treacherous industrialists, power brokers, politicians and lawmakers sitting masked in our culture that foisted ‘multiculturalism’ upon us was it? No, it was the Zionist elites of the other Abrahamic creeds – and they are STILL THERE, holding the positions of power they have had for at least the last fifty years, in our Folk’s governing institutions (political, cultural and socio-economic).

I would just like to re-iterate what I pointed in post #9 of the “Sweden: Annual March Against Anti-White Violence” thread:

“…please don't forget to reserve 'a little corner of your heart' for those "whites" who gave us the 'gift' of the multicultural policies that turned our Odal lands into the tragic PC Gulags of present within some fifty odd years.

Without their vile treachery, the horrors that are now afflicted upon our Folk would not have been possible. Never forget these "whites" for who and what they are, or the insidious, pernicious methods they employ to divide and conquer.

In other words treat the symptoms and stabilize the patient by all means, but don't forget to address the underlying cause(s) of the diagnosis.”

IMO any Odinist who fails to keep this in mind and adopt a more balanced and ‘holistic’ view to our Folk’s present woes, will be doomed to repeating the mistakes of history and runs the risk of unwittingly becoming a Zionist pawn/foot soldier. Thus they cannot be effective in truly serving their Faith, Folk and Family.

Sig Tyr!
FFF
Athelstan

[The Wanderer]

The muslims in the Netherlands mostly come from Turkey and Morocco, no shaira law there!

Since I live in Canada, I can only speak based on my experiences with the Muslims I have encountered here, and I can't exactly talk about "kicking them out" since these are not my own ancestral lands.

Obviously, the situation in Europe seems to be quite different. We don't have state sponsored muslim gettos here....

[æinvargR]

We don't have state sponsored muslim gettos here....Segregation makes it easier when it's time to send them back. :)

[Outdoorsman]

Since I live in Canada, I can only speak based on my experiences with the Muslims I have encountered here, and I can't exactly talk about "kicking them out" since these are not my own ancestral lands.

I wonder how long does it take before North America IS part of our ancesteral lands too? Some European-Americans' ancestors have been here over 500 years. Mine have been here over 130-150 years. How many of our ancestors have we buried in this land?

Just at what point are we no longer a "nation of immigrants", but the "natives"? It's interesting that so many Euro-Americans (or Canadians as the case may be) don't consider themselves "natives" today. Their earlier ancestors did.

I remember an textbook in grade school that called every American-born citizen a "native". By high school the textbooks reserved that term only for "Native Americans" - the American Indians.

I am a native European-American and proud of it. No one will take that away from me.

[The Wanderer]

That is a good question Outdoorsman. Its certainly not one I can easily answer. One big problem with the whole situation is the status of "first nations" to begin with, since they are generally still in Limbo, politically, thier own folkish societies slowing dying off and/or being warped by "christian" values and corporate driven consumer culture, which even I don't want any part in. In Canada, the government did everything they could to get them on welfare, making most of them dependant on the state despite their capabilities of providing for themselves, and this has lead to greater problems several generations on.

I personally see the current government of my nation as illigitimate, for many reasons. The fact of the matter is, our governments don't care about "our folk" or any others for that matter, their current policies of seeminly unlimited immigration reflect that.

It is not rocket science, these things are being done on purpose, so the powers that be can more easily divide and control us. They don't care who is under their thumb, as long they stay rich and powerful they could care less who is paying the taxes and working the land.

[æinvargR]

A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now. America isn't yours.

[Kiwi_Mjolnir]

A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now. America isn't yours.
But New Zealand is ours, right? :scratch:

[Scramaseax]

When the Danes were invading England in the 9th century, did Ælfred the Great say "we'd better let the Danes in because we've only been here since the 5th century and it would be hypocritical of us to fight back since England isn't really our Odal land"? No, Ælfred the Great defended England all the same. Was he wrong for doing so? Was he a hypocrite?

[Don vonMilikowski]

A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now. America isn't yours.


Hold on there......

My family can trace its roots to the Teutonic Knights that invaded Prussia, defended the "Fatherland" in its many wars. My grandfather was captured and brought here to the United States and when I was younger I thought I was fighting to defend "MY" homeland (well, okay a corporate oligarchy). This is where I was born and this is where (well, hopefully) I die.

Here is a secret, when the spit hits the fan look to your left and right on your side of the trenches, these are the people who feel it it their Odal lands. If we are talking about the Muslims - well, don't worry, they will be on the receiving end of the rifle, it is in their nature. If you would spit on anyone willing to protect what they feel is their birthright and homeland..... Then I do not want you by my side in a fight, any fight.

According to your beliefs - Neither the Scandinavian or the Celts have a right to Iceland, the Saxon, Scandinavian (tell this to a Highlander Scot), Roman, Celt to a degree have no right to claim the UK. I grew up my whole life knowing am Prussian, but according to you I am not because Germany occupied Prussia off and on since the late 13th century. Heh, kids.....

[Katia]

I wonder how long does it take before North America IS part of our ancesteral lands too? Some European-Americans' ancestors have been here over 500 years. Mine have been here over 130-150 years. How many of our ancestors have we buried in this land?
Just at what point are we no longer a "nation of immigrants", but the "natives"? It's interesting that so many Euro-Americans (or Canadians as the case may be) don't consider themselves "natives" today. Their earlier ancestors did.


I'm not sure if we will ever be able to call the Americas our ancestral land. Look at what is happening to it now. If things continue the way they are, within a few generations our race will be the minority here. Even as against the influx of South Americans coming into this country as I am, I heard someone say once that originally this was their land, and now they are just fighting to get it back and using our kind-hearted qualities against us. Point taken. That doesn't mean we should just sit back and let it happen though! Our ancestors fought and claimed this land and it's our duty to them to keep it as much ours as we can for as long as we can. But at the same time, we should never forget that Europe is our homeland. It is the birthplace of our all-encompassing culture. When I visited Germany a few years ago, I had such a sense of peace and connection, I couldn't even begin to describe it. If I could legally move back there to help protect it and fight to change some of the policies that have got it into the state it is.. I would. Maybe one day, you never know what fate has in store for you!

[Torquil]

A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now. America isn't yours.

A few hundred years or a few thousand, it makes no difference. To us North America is our homeland because we made it our homeland. Whether Skraelings or Mexicans want to accept this or not is irrelevant. When a people invades and settles a country pushing out the former inhabitants it becomes their new homeland, whether its a good or bad thing depends on who you ask. As for me I don't want to see Sweden go Muslim any more than I want Iowa or Minnesota to become Hispanic.

[KarlMagnus]

The Mexican (indigenous) people settling in Minnesota is like the Poles settling in Ireland. Sure they're both 'European' (whatever that means). But is it right to let people move in droves with no consideration as to the local cultural impact?

How do the Ojibwe and Sioux of Minnesota feel about being outnumbered by Nahuatls and Aztecs from over a thousand miles away in Mexico? How do the Iroquois in New York and Canada feel about Quechua from Ecuador and Peru?

Even in New Mexico the Mexican immigrants are in stark cultural contrast to Puebloans and Navajos.

All that said, considering many (the majority?) of them arrive on foot, it is a real "folk" migration as has occurred on this continent and all over the world for millenia. In fact it is much more "natural" migration than how my ancestors came to this place. Half of my genes arrived by jumbo jet.

KM

[æinvargR]

Here is a secret, when the spit hits the fan look to your left and right on your side of the trenches, these are the people who feel it it their Odal lands.How does that justify the theft of the Native Americans' land for the sake of yet another Christian empire that wishes to make everyone the same?


No, Ælfred the Great defended England all the same. Was he wrong for doing so? Was he a hypocrite?
According to your beliefs - Neither the Scandinavian or the Celts have a right to Iceland, the Saxon, Scandinavian (tell this to a Highlander Scot), Roman, Celt to a degree have no right to claim the UK.Iceland was empty when Scandinavians and Britons settled there. Anglo-Saxons shouldn't have settled in England, but it's more complicated than the European invasion of Vínland. Closer related peoples, closer lands etc. I don't know.


I grew up my whole life knowing am Prussian, but according to you I am not because Germany occupied Prussia off and on since the late 13th century.I don't know when I said that. Did I say Native Americans aren't Native Americans because Christian Europeans occupy their land?


A few hundred years or a few thousand, it makes no difference. To us North America is our homeland because we made it our homeland. Whether Skraelings or Mexicans want to accept this or not is irrelevant.The question is: are we invaders and conquerors; or do we believe in ethnopluralism? Do you want to keep fighting for the USA (keep on invading) and accept the fall of our ethnicities in northern Europe (keep on getting invaded); or do you want to give the land back to the skrǽlingaR and have the true odal lands return to the hands of Germanic peoples? Are you pro white, Christian, empires; or are you against imperialism like the Germanics of old were against the Roman Empire and the Christianization?

Read about "The Roman Paradigm" in Mark's chapter Morality. ;)

America will never be an odal land because it's not where the tribes of our ancestors and their cultures were born and formed. The USA may be a homeland to white Americans, but it's not a Germanic, heathen óðaljörð, native country...

[Kiwi_Mjolnir]

Yeah, no offense to those living in Vinland but I kind of agree with what æinvargR is saying here.

My ancestry in this country goes back to some of the first COLONISTS to set foot in New Zealand. The difference between me and a person of Maori descent is very little. Both our peoples came to this land as immigrants, but both were colonists. To me that makes both of us native to some extent.

I would love to go back to the lands of my ancestors and am sure I would feel a greater connection to them than I do to this country.

But... how are 'Native Americans' any more native than Don here? :scratch:
At the end of the day, they're not. But should they be given special priveledges? Maybe... It depends on whether you see them as a totally different culture to those living back in Asia.

:eek: Culture vs Race topic again! :help:

[Schwarzesonne]

I think that all the idealism and philosophy that have been introduced to this thread have really over-complicated the issue. People, like animals, will fight over resources for their survival and for their happiness. One of these resources is land. When a people comes to a land and takes control of it—whether that be through colonization, conquer, immigration, or by any other means—it is not a matter of whether they have a moral or divine right to do so. Rather it is a matter of that people taking the right to do so.

A land becomes an “Odal Land” when it has been the family land longer than anyone can remember living anywhere else. If we were to try to argue about some unidentified ancestor that allegedly moved in centuries ago, well, we could legitimately argue that few people—if anyone—can claim to even know where there family’s odal land is located!

[Don vonMilikowski]

The question is: are we invaders and conquerors; or do we believe in ethnopluralism? Do you want to keep fighting for the USA (keep on invading) and accept the fall of our ethnicities in northern Europe (keep on getting invaded); or do you want to give the land back to the skrǽlingaR and have the true odal lands return to the hands of Germanic peoples? Are you pro white, Christian, empires; or are you against imperialism like the Germanics of old were against the Roman Empire and the Christianization?



:lol:

This is coming from the same cat who thinks dreadlocks are "White fashion", asks where he should put a tattoo, and many other silly things..... Sorry bub, I cannot take you seriously even when you try to look intelligent using big words and such. So you have a thing against Christians and Americans - get over it, life will be much easier when you get rid of venom and anger..... Or tone it down a bit.

Like I said, when you stand and see who is standing beside you, those are the people that feel the same way you do about their homeland..... Might be all different colors and such, but one thing you forget fanboy, your heart chooses your homeland, not your ancestors. I grew up in the US, when I was in Germany I did not feel at home, and I am the first born American in my family on my father's side. The US has fought against the English, French, and all the people who joined German forces in WW2 - which "White" Americans are all of. So for Americans THIS is their Odal lands.

Watching most of you kids try to look smart and tough is like watching a dog walk on its hind legs - unnatural and entertaining for a little while.

[Outdoorsman]

A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now.

A hundred or a thousand, it makes little difference. What makes a difference is a culture's means to claim land and defend it. If it fails in defending it, it is no longer theirs. The fact that your ancestors have been in Europe for thousands of years is no defense today against Muslims in Europe, is it? Best to drop the idea of time as something that establishes claim. It doesn't. Sucessfully defending and keeping land does establish and maintain claim.


America isn't yours.

Easy for you to say. You never had anything of America, so you have nothing to lose if it is lost.

[Outdoorsman]

But... how are 'Native Americans' any more native than Don here? :scratch:
At the end of the day, they're not. But should they be given special priveledges? Maybe... It depends on whether you see them as a totally different culture to those living back in Asia.

American Indians have definately been given a raw deal historically. Even today, the way their tribal relationships are set up with the government, they are disempowered and find it difficult to effectively address their community's problems.

But if people say that American land "should be given back to the Indians", I don't think they really understand just how diverse the group called "Indians" really are. There are hundreds of tribes, some of whom bear little resemblance to each other. From coast to coast, their history and culture and technology in the past was quite different from each other.

So if you say that American land must go back to them... who is "them?" Which tribe? Which nation? They fought each other in the past for control of resources and to claim land (just as Euros did, actually)... are you ready to have that happen all over again?

And besides... whoever wants this land will have to fight those on it already... cause we're not giving it up.

Euro Americans want to be fair in our dealings with American Indians, but we are *not* going to be pushovers. As usual, the people who say "give it back, give it back" are the ones who have nothing to lose.

No offense to you intended... I'm just stating this in general.

[hemrud]

A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now. America isn't yours.
Just a note to add to the perpetual "stolen lands" arguement,
Kennewick Man and (sp)? hunan woman. Both European remains showing European settlement of NA before Asiatic tribes arrived. Asiatic tribes which killed off the European "natives". Pretty much takes the steam out of the Frankfurt Schools battle cry of stolen lands. They killed us and we came back and killed em right back. End of story.
The real question now regards the existing culture and people/folk who created and maintain that culture and mass numbers of incoming groups who either do not care to or are unable to contribute to and live within that cultures laws and traditions, and the will of the existing culture and people to resist replacement.

[Don vonMilikowski]

æinvargR - sorry I hit the wrong button....

Anywho - I could care less about my Germanic Heritage, I am an American as my kids are. When I was in Germany I felt out of place.

..... damn, forgot what the rest of the post was about.....

damn keys..... edit instead of reply..... HAHAHAHAHAHA, could not dig up the original......

I guess it is a good thing though.... don't need you crying anymore about me picking on you. If you want nice, then take the edge off and stop being such a Nancy. I can play nice, I really can.

[Scramaseax]

I don't really see how a particular colonisation 200-300 years ago justifies a different colonisation today. Just because something happened in the past does not mean it needs to be repeated. Two wrongs do not make a right. If I was to put myself in a Native American/Aboriginal Australian/Maori's shoes, I'd be thinking "hmm...my people got colonised once by the British, and now we're being colonised all over again by just about every ethnic group under the sun!". I'd rather just get colonised once.

Who is or isn't a native is entirely relative. And what is right or wrong depends on who you are, on what benefits your Folk and what harms your Folk. I can fully understand why so many Mexicans want to flood the US. I can also understand why the US doesn't want to be flooded. All throughout history there has been invasions and resistance to invasion.

Perhaps Ricky Wagner said it best:

"History proves that man is a beast of prey. The beast of prey conquers countries, founds great realms by subjugation of the other subjugators, forms states and organizes civilizations in order to enjoy his booty in peace... Attack and defence, suffering and struggle, victory and defeat, domination and servitude, all sealed with blood; this is the entire history of the human race..."

[æinvargR]

..... damn, forgot what the rest of the post was about.....It was something like this:


So for Americans THIS is their Odal lands.Where American culture &c was born—yes. That doesn't make it the odal lands of Germanic peoples, Germanic cultures, heathen cultures. It is a homeland to Americans and the "odal lands" of American culture—but it will never be the odal lands of Germanic cultures. You don't care about that ("I could care less about my Germanic Heritage, I am an American as my kids are")... Let's not talk about different things.


Easy for you to say. You never had anything of America, so you have nothing to lose if it is lost.We have different views on things... I strive for a whole Weltanschauung based on the heathen culture of my ancestors. From a heathen perspective, what would be lost if Vínland was given back? How does a Christian empire on foreign peoples' soil like the USA fit in a heathen world? I only know one Vinlandic heathen well and he shares my view on this... But we're both very reconstructionist and don't see the point in not embracing all of the old cultures, we don't see the point in keeping the same old values and opinions and just add some extra gods. Different discussion but it's what the opinions about this are based upon.

[Torquil]

We have different views on things... I strive for a whole Weltanschauung based on the heathen culture of my ancestors. From a heathen perspective, what would be lost if Vínland was given back? How does a Christian empire on foreign peoples' soil like the USA fit in a heathen world? I only know one Vinlandic heathen well and he shares my view on this... But we're both very reconstructionist and don't see the point in not embracing all of the old cultures, we don't see the point in keeping the same old values and opinions and just add some extra gods. Different discussion but it's what the opinions about this are based upon.

Giving Vinland back to the Native Americans and all the Euro-Americans leaving the continent is unrealistic. I don't know where you're getting the "Christian empire" thing from. There are some who would like us to be a theocracy but those people are in the minority. I do consider most of the US and Canada to be Germanic areas. The major language spoken in both countries is English and most of us are descended from English, German, Dutch, and settlers from Scandinavian countries. Vinland is at least as Teutonic as Great Britain is, just younger.

Also, do you imply that since Vinland never had a heathen history before the conversion era that it should not work towards developing one now?

[Don vonMilikowski]

Where American culture &c was born—yes. That doesn't make it the odal lands of Germanic peoples, Germanic cultures, heathen cultures. It is a homeland to Americans and the "odal lands" of American culture—but it will never be the odal lands of Germanic cultures. You don't care about that ("I could care less about my Germanic Heritage, I am an American as my kids are")... Let's not talk about different things.




You said America is not ours..... I know a few million that would disagree with that statement. According to some that came over "with the Mayflower" this is their land, and with me being first generation born here on my father's side - this is MY land, there is nothing for me in Germany or Sweden (My mother is mostly Swede). Do not change your argument to suit your needs.




A few hundred years isn't much compared to thousands or tens of thousands of years. I won't consider the descendants of today's immigrants to my odal lands natives in a hundred years from now. America isn't yours.



Are you living in a house that your ancestors built on your land, or are you living somewhere where you are paying a bank - lets take the gloves off and call a spade a spade. Because if you are talking true Odal lands then guess what bub, if you are paying a bank for something, it is not yours. If you are being taxed for something, it is not yours (you don't believe me, stop paying your mortgage and taxes - then you will see who it really belongs to). At 20 I do not expect you to be too wise. I remember 20, let me see, I had already done a combat tour by the time I was 20. I knew everything then too, learned different with time.

The original topic was - Muslims in Europe not the American Christian Empire and its evils across the world. Until you come here and taste America, put a lid on it. I have been to Sweden, I do not know what you are so proud of - immigrants run your streets and the native folk are docile because they fear being called racist, all the Viking Metal will not save you from the truth kiddo. All countries are being overran by illegals and until we find a way to solve the cheap labor problems it will always be thus. A long time ago they had a name for cheap immigrant labor - Slave.

If this goes any further off the original topic, I will shut it down.

[Katia]

This is obviously a touchy subject for Americans. Both sides make points and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Maybe we would be best to let bygones be bygones and let it go for now..

[æinvargR]

The original topic was - Muslims in Europe not the American Christian Empire and its evils across the world.How can we be against the massmigration to northern Europe and still defend the northern European massmigration to Vínland, without being hypocrites?

That is by the way how this is on-topic too.


I have been to Sweden, I do not know what you are so proud of - immigrants run your streets and the native folk are docile because they fear being called racistWho said I was proud? Sweden sucks and I'm bothered by it everyday. :/


Giving Vinland back to the Native Americans and all the Euro-Americans leaving the continent is unrealistic.Sure, but ideally. Ethnopluralists and massimmigration critics should strife to return home.


I don't know where you're getting the "Christian empire" thing from.It's politically and culturally an empire which is based on Christian and Roman values.


Also, do you imply that since Vinland never had a heathen history before the conversion era that it should not work towards developing one now?No, just that it will never be odal lands of Germanic heathen cultures and peoples, because their birth has already taken place elsewhere. If you create a new culture, North America would be the "odal lands" of that. That's how it is the "odal lands", if one should call it that in this case, of American culture, but it will never be another odal land of Germanic peoples or Germanic heathen cultures.

[Don vonMilikowski]

How can we be against the massmigration to northern Europe and still defend the northern European massmigration to Vínland, without being hypocrites?



Iberian Celts migrated to the British isles to get away from the Roman invaders, somehow or another the Picts all but disappeared..... Welcome to the eternal cycle. There is no such thing as an Egyptian anymore, what you have now is a mix of Nubian, Greek, Roman and Arabic - none of those are the Ancient Egyptians.... A fair example of not even 100 years ago - Cherokee tribe GONE, just a bunch of backwoods Whites claiming to be Cherokee now. If you want to make a stand, you have to do it with logic and not emotion. I understand your pain, but as a historian all I see is cycles.

Do not be ashamed of being a Swede - I chose emotion over logic in that case. Swedish Fish are my favorite candies..... Become political if it really bugs you, find like minded people and do not be afraid of the outcome. I know I am not supposed to get political but action is a lot better than pouting because you think something is not right. I am NOT advocating any violent means to get your point across, you can do so with a few choice words and make people think. The human animal is a dumb animal, dumb and lazy sometimes you have to grab them by the nose and lead them to show them with their own two eyes what is real and what is not. Learn what it means to be a leader and lead.

Off the soapbox......

Ever notice how there are never Arabs in the Strongest Man competitions? Mostly Northern Europeans...... Way off track, but i thought we needed a break.

[Schwarzesonne]

How can we be against the massmigration to northern Europe and still defend the northern European massmigration to Vínland, without being hypocrites?

It is natural for a people to struggle for its own survival and expansion. It has nothing to do with concepts such as “fair” or “politically correct”, but is the manifestation of instinct. Animals such as bears and sharks will expand their habitats in order to secure more resources. People-groups are no different.

[Scramaseax]

How can we be against the massmigration to northern Europe and still defend the northern European massmigration to Vínland, without being hypocrites?Did the Native Americans defend their land when it was being invaded? Or did they welcome the Europeans with open arms?

Just because the Native Americans lost two-three centuries ago doesn't mean Europeans have to loose today. If a boxer wins one fight there isn't any rule that says he has to loose the next one. The biggest threat to the US's demography is Mexicans and South Americans. These people are not the indigenous peoples of the US, that would be the Native Americans. So what's wrong with defending it against the Mexicans? Compared to Mexicans and South Americans, European-Americans are native. Some Mexicans maybe had ancestors that were driven out of what is now Texas. But that's history for you. Should the English give England back to the Welsh and go back to Denmark, and the Danes go back to Sweden?

The people in Vinland today are not responsible for the initial invasion. It's history. I would oppose any further expansion today, and I would have opposed it had I been around then. But any talk about "giving it back" is hypothetical. It would never happen logistically. I think the government needs to look at removing the 12 million illegals before the 300 million legals.

[Torquil]

Some Mexicans maybe had ancestors that were driven out of what is now Texas. But that's history for you.

I think the southwestern areas had more whites living there than Mexicans at the time of the Mexican-American War anyway. Before that they were mostly populated by Apache and other Indians.

[Teufelhunden]

It is true, Mexicans have been fed with fairy tales of "aztlan" for so long that many if not 99% do not know their own history. There is an American indian that is on a crusade to "save the white man". He states that "We drove the Mexicans out of our nations many times, how come you can not?" They never were the inhabitants of our lands, at the very most a small part of southern CA, but they seem to believe because the Spanish settled parts of it that it is theirs. Sadly we not only have to battle myths, but the woefully uneducated masses that bemoan the loss of lands they never owned, and the small part they did was lost in a war, and were compensated for it although the corrupt Santa Anna made off with the money not once but twice!! Corrupt Governments, uneducated masses is a hard battle to fight as even citizens that are Mexican operate under the same myths of entitlement...
Long road ahead.....
Teufey

[Stormwind]

I think when it comes to the topic of muslims in europe the issue is less about ancestral homes and more about compatability.

I am not about to go on a rant about which of our cultures is better but I know for sure that they are not compatable. We have very different outlooks on many things. While in the western world we have become very liberal it is not the case in the muslim world. In most countries women are just about getting the chance to wear what they want and shows of flesh are still looked down on. Here, we have scantily clad women on almost every advertisement and TV show, just to give one example of the differences.

Thanks to the current trend for pushing pc thinking to the maximum and the apparently inherent inability for anyone in this country to feel proud of oneself I don't think its possible for England to maintain its culture.

Infact, I would go as far as to say that in the last decade England has died. I can't speak for any other countries because I simply don't know enough about the situation there.

Muslims still have a defined faith system which is interlinked with all parts of life. This gives them strength and unity, something severely lacking in the west. Indeed, it is because we have lost our (any?) faith that our culture is being slowly eroded. We cannot decide on a course of action because we have become completely divided. With no guiding light or common cause there is no reason for Britain to exist as a nation except for administration. We cannot prevent the islamisation of Britain because, putting it bluntly, they have the strength in faith that we do not. I think that if I had the choice of a united christian country and the current melting pot of religions and cultures we have here today I know I would go for the former.

It is the proliferation of liberal thinking and the anti-english descrimination in this country that is destroying it and the muslims are doing nothing wrong by being here. Infact, the people I blame are the governments and people who have lost all backbone when it comes to such issues as immigration. I don't know if any of you British people here agree but it seems to me that the Labour party is bending over backwards in order to make the change to Islam as smooth as possible recently.

It has become increasingly difficult here to maintain any sort of national pride as it is instantly shot down as racism. I saw someone in the street called a racist in the town where I live for waving a British flag around. I read a story on the BNP website (could be simple propaganda) that a family had been attacked in London somewhere and when the father (an ex-marine suffering from serious combat related problems) voiced an opinion in the street they arrested him for racial motivated hatred! I can't vouch for how true that story is but if there is any truth in it then it really shows the depth of the problem here.

In summary, I personally don't think muslims are to blame for anything here. They are just moving to a more prosperous country. It is the governments who allow them to live in seperation, it is governments who overlook the fact that 50% of them have no job and it is the governments who bend over backwards to pander to their every request.

[hemrud]

Originally Posted by æinvargR
How can we be against the massmigration to northern Europe and still defend the northern European massmigration to Vínland, without being hypocrites?

That the mindset that has taken over the entire west, people so worried about right and wrong that they wont stand up for themselves and family. Muslim youth gangs waging war throughout Europe through rape, murder and robbery arent worried one iota about being hypocrites, I can assure you of that. PC indoctrination has done what a thousand years of invasions couldnt, conquered the Western world.
On that note heres a link on the history of Political Correctness. Theres some other articles Tuefelhunden may be interested in if you dont allready read his On War articles. (Lind is Marine Corps oriented.)

http://www.freecongress.org/centers/cc/index.aspx

And since large portions of Christianity are really Heathen traditions with window dressing, whats up with the dwelling on the whole Christian empire bit? You're worried about weeds in the lawn while your house burns down!

[æinvargR]

...That's what I dislike, peoples disappearing and getting more alike. I don't see cycles, I just see loss: we're not getting more peoples, we're just getting fewer. Good post by the way.


So what's wrong with defending it against the Mexicans?Nothing wrong with that! :)


But any talk about "giving it back" is hypothetical. It would never happen logistically.I guess that's true, unfortunately. For so long as material things, economics, politics are ranked higher than ideals and culture.


And since large portions of Christianity are really Heathen traditions with window dressing, whats up with the dwelling on the whole Christian empire bit?What I mean is, I don't see how it goes hand in hand with a heathen worldview. It does go hand in hand with a Christian one, seeking to make everyone the same (mission) etc. Christians tried to convert Northmen, they struck back to stop the forced conversions, but didn't try to erase Christianity in England or make people heathen again.

[Don vonMilikowski]

What I mean is, I don't see how it goes hand in hand with a heathen worldview. It does go hand in hand with a Christian one, seeking to make everyone the same (mission) etc. Christians tried to convert Northmen, they struck back to stop the forced conversions, but didn't try to erase Christianity in England or make people heathen again.


I do not know what history you are learning...... Most of Europe bent the knee willingly after Charles the Great (first emperor of the Holy Roman Empire) lopped a few heads off. The conversion was pretty violent, but the majority still bent at the knee which is why Heathenry lost that battle back then. The war machine they used to spread it across Europe was the Germans, when the Teutonic Knights were pulled out of the Crusades is Jerusalem they were brought back into Europe to finish the "Holy Roman Emperor's" job of converting Europe. So if you want to talk about Christanity and its awful conversion in Europe, just remember their biggest sword was the Holy Roman Empire which was Germany. The Roman Catholic and even Eastern Orthodox are both still very Pagan anyway - Saints being lesser gods, Divine Trinity, "Christmas Tree", Easter Bunny, Divine Birth of Jesus (been around, can compare to Osiris, King Arthur, and quite a few other ancient deity/hero myths.... scored third in the hero chart)..... The list goes on and on. In the long run time will tell you who won (Look at WW2 Germany won - see the Euro and look at the plan for one coin for Europe), nothing is ever obvious.....

So as stated before, if you quit whining and do something about it, change starts from within. If you are a leader you will find your followers - remember it was Flavor-Aide, not Kool-Aide. Something I learned, if something bothers you enough do something about it, whining about it does nothing.

If you honestly stop with the negative BS and start working on things that you CAN control you do not come across as such a whiny crybaby, it is when you sit there with your hands in your lap talking and not doing people lose respect for you. If you learn to think on your feet instead of asking for permission you will gain respect, if you keep asking people think you have no spine.

As far as the Muslim invasion - do not give them money, if an obvious Muslim is driving a cab, refuse - et cetera and so forth. I used to chase the worthless illegals off jobs, work them like slaves make them call me "Sir", whenever they spoke Spanish I would say "banana banana banana banana - speak English or I will send you home"..... Yes, I am a mean jerk, especially on a job, that is my world, I busted my behind to get to where I am. Plus they found out at work to keep the illegals away from me, one threatened harassment and I reminded him of OSHA (one of the bigger rules is - People on the jobsite have to speak the same language) and also it is in the NEC (National Electric Code) so as a foreman I am in my full rights to send people home because they are, by law, a danger in the work place. The illegals never know what to do with me, I can be a nice guy but if they start playing the lets push the White boy they find out real fast that their life means nothing and they can be replaced in a day, and since they are illegal when they do find the body no one will care because there will be no documents to show who they were - except a false Social Security Number...... They can play Cesar Chavez - but I will get Immigration and Naturalization Services out there. Did a few times when all I heard was Spanish on a jobsite...... And when they left for a day to try to hurt the American pocket book - we got a lot more done because there were no stupid grins and the nodding of heads. Other foremen were stepping up before I got injured.......

[æinvargR]

I do not know what history you are learning...... /.../ So if you want to talk about Christanity and its awful conversion in Europe, just remember their biggest sword was the Holy Roman Empire which was Germany.How was what I said not correct? Romans converted northern neighbours, who converted their northern neighbours... Are you saying imperialism therefore is heathen? The heathens never forced anything like that on anyone. Northmen did strike back, without demanding anyone to be reject Christianity.


The Roman Catholic and even Eastern Orthodox are both still very Pagan anyway - Saints being lesser gods, Divine Trinity, "Christmas Tree", Easter Bunny, Divine Birth of Jesus (been around, can compare to Osiris, King Arthur, and quite a few other ancient deity/hero myths.... scored third in the hero chart)..... The list goes on and on.Some parts of the belief maybe, but not the worldview etc.

[Don vonMilikowski]

æinvargR -

I am through with this, you just want to whine, that is fine.

I wish I was there in Sweden now, I would explain life to you slowly and exactly. Here is something I learned at five - life is not fair, get over it.

You and Eric should start a Whiners Cult.

[æinvargR]

I'm not whining.

[Arinbjorn]

Hey Don,
Do ever get people just showing up on your door-step, waiting for three days just to learn to make soap?

[BerserkDog]

Hey Don,
Do ever get people just showing up on your door-step, waiting for three days just to learn to make soap?

Getting kinda close to violating Rule #1.
:D

[Don vonMilikowski]

Hey Don,
Do ever get people just showing up on your door-step, waiting for three days just to learn to make soap?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why do people ask me about that....

[Don vonMilikowski]

Getting kinda close to violating Rule #1.
:D


Just wait until Tyler finds out......

[Rigsthane]

I am really enjoying this thread and think that everyone is making some really interesting points. However, I think we are losing sight of reality a bit here. Some have said that Americans will never give up their land because they or their forefathers fought for it. Others have made arguments about the "native" population of the US. This sounds all well and good but it doesn't really apply to what's going on here. The fact is, Americans have ALREADY given up their land, but not to a particular people, but to an idea. We have firmly established within American culture that this is a "land of immigrants", and that's exactly what it is. So it cannot be our Odal land because there is no definable ethnicity that can claim this, not any more anyhow. What is an American? Can anyone honestly say with any shred of credibility that Germanic people have an ethnic birthright to this country? Is "American" synonymous with "Teuton", no, it isn't. We gave up our right to this claim when we invited the world to be a part of it. So there isn't even an establishment of European nationality within this country, even though we set it all up!

The culture is everything here. If we had maintained America as a European homeland, that's what it would have become, just like Iceland is and even South Africa was (and I emphasize "was"). If we ever rise up and take down the current traitorous regimes we could establish a homeland maintained within the culture!! Otherwise, you lose everything you fought for, like America. I believe we should focus our attention to Europe because we have an ethnic birthright to that land, since we were once its sole inhabitants. We can form colonies and make them homelands by establishing our cultural validity within them, but Europe is ours, period. There is no question, no debate on what a German or a Swede, or a Scot is. They are folk. So while we bicker about who should be able to claim a stake on this already lost colony, our homeland is being taken away from us.

[hemrud]

I'm not whining.

If you're in Sweden and you're not out in the street marching on the 9th against Muslim violence/invasion, you're just whining, and no I dont care if you dont agree with the guy standing beside you, cause at least he's out there trying to save his culture too.

[hemrud]

I would say "banana banana banana banana - speak English or I will send you home"..... Don

Great story Don, I forgot about that clause being in the NEC! Im going to remind some folks about that tonight! Seeing as how some Mexicans stole the 220/110 converter off my buddies generator to run their paint sprayer while he was mid way through checking devices before a final inspection, that clause should come in handy. Force these nit picking inspectors to enforce that little item as well!

[Bladesinger]

Force these nit picking inspectors to enforce that little item as well!
If they're anything like the inspectors when I was doing electrical work, they'll nit-pick and enforce everything they can find, and some things that aren't even there. Except the language thing. That would step on too many toes.
Fortunately for us, the jobsites I was working were on an Air Force base, and ICE came in and enforced all of that by rounding up something like 60-90 illegals and shipping them home. That was an odd day, fun story though.

[hemrud]

Yeah the guys here really go all out, the county is supposedly the strictist in the nation from what I hear from guys who have worked elsewhere. I'd love to see the head of inspections to enforce that lil rule.

[Don vonMilikowski]

I would say "banana banana banana banana - speak English or I will send you home"..... Don

Great story Don, I forgot about that clause being in the NEC! Im going to remind some folks about that tonight! Seeing as how some Mexicans stole the 220/110 converter off my buddies generator to run their paint sprayer while he was mid way through checking devices before a final inspection, that clause should come in handy. Force these nit picking inspectors to enforce that little item as well!


Heh, When I was in the Union it was worse, I am an A-hole in real life on the job. I do not like being injured and I demand my people work safely.

About theft on job sites...... There is a reason people are afraid of my toolbox and my temper.

[hemrud]

Did you take a charge and/or fall or just a general injury? Used to do tons of work with the old knob and tube, always sketchy. No telling when that natural rubber coating will decide to crumble off while you're in a crawl fully grounded. Bit of subject here I guess. I'll stick to the thread here out.

[Don vonMilikowski]

Did you take a charge and/or fall or just a general injury? Used to do tons of work with the old knob and tube, always sketchy. No telling when that natural rubber coating will decide to crumble off while you're in a crawl fully grounded. Bit of subject here I guess. I'll stick to the thread here out.


Heh, been bit many a time and would rather do that than this. Tore my perinal (sp) tendon in my left ankle, which really sucks because I am a motorcyclist (not a Biker, well I belong to the Veterans MC but that is different - I also belong to the Sinners CC)..... Let me just say I never want an unpaid vacation again, especially six plus months.

Knob and tube is SO much fun, which is why I stick to Industrial and Heavy Commercial - Service Entrances and stuff, mostly Distribution (I love big conduits and conductors - looks bad, but I will leave it).....

Back on target - Damn foreigners and Muslims......

[hemrud]

ITs the damn ligaments and tendons that take forever! Good luck with that!
Ive heard of the Sinners CC, what kind of classic car do you drive while thinking about running down illegals and muslim jihadis? Always been partial to MOPAR but to my shame also had the mandatory 55 chevy.
I always liked the glamour and bravado of working on old homes with knob and tube. Reaching your hand up into a bunch of rat urine soaked insulation in the crawl hoping not to brush against some uninsulated hot wire while thinking "Jobs Americans wont do my Aunt fanny!
Between Black Muslims planning to bomb malls and Seattles Christmas/Yule Tree removal we need our own Muslims and others in America thread!

[hemrud]

Sorry forgot to ask, æinvargR how was the anti muslim violence march?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/hemrud/salem2005_1.jpg

[æinvargR]

I wasn't there.

[hemrud]

Oh well.

Good new article at OR that I think applies to this whole thread.

http://www.********rite.org/Folkish.htm

[Don vonMilikowski]

ITs the damn ligaments and tendons that take forever! Good luck with that!
Ive heard of the Sinners CC, what kind of classic car do you drive while thinking about running down illegals and muslim jihadis? Always been partial to MOPAR but to my shame also had the mandatory 55 chevy.
I always liked the glamour and bravado of working on old homes with knob and tube. Reaching your hand up into a bunch of rat urine soaked insulation in the crawl hoping not to brush against some uninsulated hot wire while thinking "Jobs Americans wont do my Aunt fanny!
Between Black Muslims planning to bomb malls and Seattles Christmas/Yule Tree removal we need our own Muslims and others in America thread!


Been building a custom "T Bucket" for years...... If things go the way I think they will, might have enough cabbage to finish her in a couple of months. I ride to shows though, used to have a Flathead (NOT a Harley, it is a Ford) but had to give it up to pay bills.

[hemrud]

Yeah I made the choice to let my 55 go rather than have it wither away due to economics. and My old 318 is now happy and raiseing hel in a buddies T bucket. It gets some "good" looks when the Ford guys walk by expecting a flathead and see mopar instead! :D
Cars are such a big cash consumer, I just couldnt justify it on my economic level while building a family. Id rather spend any extra cash on helping families in a tight spot.

[heidenwoud]

About the America discussion:

The white people build America, if Mexicans or Indians would take over America then they would take over a land they didn’t build up, if I would build a house on a land where many hundreds of years ago some people used to live on that land does not mean the decedents of those people can claim my house.

Second: Mexicans, I saw the video’s of the demonstrations of them, telling that Europeans should go home, but funny thing is, 60% of the people in Mexico are Mestizos (mixed European and Amerindian people), from what I know mixed with Spanish people, the real Indians are a minority in Mexico, they do not even know the real numbers of them (Amerindians (11.4-30%), so if they say: Europeans go home, shouldn’t they go to Spain then ? they are half Spanish anyway.

Third and final point: the Mexican Constitution

In brief, the Mexican Constitution states that:
- Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
- Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
- Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
- Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.
- Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.
The Mexican constitution: Unfriendly to immigrants
http://warfooting.com/Blog/newsID.499/news_detail.asp

Why do I do not hear the leftwinged socialist world say anything about this ? if you know what I mean, if America would have had these rules they would be labelled the new nazi empire of the world, but it seems its alright that Mexico has them….

If there is something I really hate it is being a hypocrite.

[heidenwoud]

Sorry forgot to ask, æinvargR how was the anti muslim violence march?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/hemrud/salem2005_1.jpg
I wish I was there but i am in the Netherlands, I did walked with some marches here do.

Also, the muslim who come here believe that Europe is muslimland (because allah made it), muslims in France do not consider themselves to be French but muslim and only muslim, most if not all muslims live in no go area's in France where your life is not save as a ''none-muslim'', or how they would call it ''a kafir'', France is about to explode, believe me, i know, the police is being attacked every day now and the French police is now talking about a intifada in French against France.


France: Muslim Youths Wage War On Police

The Telegraph reports that a French police union has reported that Muslim youths in the suburbs were waging an "intifada" against the police. The union, "Action Police" has said that its officers were "in a state of civil war" with the Muslims. An average of 14 officers are injured avery day, though the media is downplaying the scale of the incidents, perhaps fearful of a re-run of last year's riots, which soon spread beyond Paris.

The Interior Ministry has reported that almost 2,500 police officers have been injured while on duty this year, a problem that has dramatically increased recently since the custom began two years ago.

Michel Thoomis, secretary general of "Action Police" said: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested."

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003124.html#comments

I also got a article called ''Ethnic guerilla and territorial deportation of the Europeans''' but it is in Dutch do, but if anyone here speak Dutch i will send it to you if you message me.

its the longest war that i know of, that of the islam against the world.

Did you know that the church used to sell white European slaves to the muslims ? pretty sick isn't it, i get furious every time I think about that.

ow, btw, i am in Rotterdam, that is the city of the Netherlands with the highest muslim concentration :dance:

[Loki's Advocate]

Hel, lately I got called a "racist" by a number of people, just because I told a black boy, who was literally bugging a (blonde, white) girl (and she was even clearly not interested in him!), to leave her alone!

That's happened to me before.

Me: Look, leave the ladies alone. They've said 'no'- move on, will you.
Him: Mind your own business! (I was working at the place.) You're racist!
Me: Look, 'no means no', did you ever hear that? Now, I won't ask you again, so p### off.

Don't even let them play 'the card' in a situation like that. Ignore the accusation and focus on the actual problem. And if people think that's racist, they can use with a piece of your mind, also.

"What, so if it was a regular whitefella harassing women like that, you'd be OK with it would you???"

I think that if you allow people to push, they'll keep on pushing, and it might not stop with pushing, either.